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   In article <2rWaA.22830$aS4.11467@uutiset.elisa.fi>, TT   wrote:   
   >4.1.2017, 1:18, lo yeeOn kirjoitti:   
   >> In article , TT   
   > wrote:   
   >>> 2.1.2017, 7:01, lo yeeOn kirjoitti:   
   >>>> John Kerry: "A lot of Americans don't believe that we should be   
   >>>>   fighting and sending young Americans over to die in another   
   >>>>   country."   
   >>> Nothing controversial in that statement.   
   >>>   
   >>>>   "young people don't want to die anymore"   
   >>> Kerry didn't say that. Just some idiot stuff from Jimmy Dore, who is an   
   >>> idiot.   
   >> You're missing the message, man who uses a faked North Korean address.   
   >>   
   >> What Jimmy Dore was saying is that it's not only true but natural for   
   >> American young men and women to _not_ want to die in another country.   
   >   
   >No, that's not what Dore was saying - that is what Kerry was saying.   
   >   
   >Dore and you quoted him incorrectly by adding "any more".   
      
   You, or anyone else who is serious about the truth, can listen to the   
   leaked audio from WikiLeaks.  It's a long thing to listen to but you   
   can get the context of what Kerry was talking about.   
      
   There were many "I don't understand ..." comments from the rebels that   
   Kerry was meeting.  There lies the basis for Kerry admitting that   
   Americans don't want die in Syria.   
      
   There is nothing wrong with Jimmy Dore's portrayal of Kerry - it's the   
   sentiment that counts.   
      
   John Kerry was telling them why they should understand the American   
   situation - why they haven't don't more in the matter of fighting for   
   the rebels' cause.   
      
   And of course, that's because we don't have the draft any more since   
   the Vietnam war.   
      
   Of course, as we all understand, nobody ever wants to die young in a   
   foreign country, etc.   
      
   But Washington wasn't putting boots on Syria soil not because the old   
   men and women in Washington didn't love to start in Syria just as they   
   did in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.   
      
   Hillary had promised to go further in Syria, including fighting Putin   
   - had she won.   
      
   So, Kerry was talking about how "nobody is more frustrated than us..."   
      
   In other words, Kerry was telling his audience that it wasn't that   
   Washington didn't want to help them win the war (against Assad), it   
   was that young people didn't want to fight these wars any more -   
   meaning after VIetnam, draft hasn't been available to get young people   
   to fight abroad any more.   
      
   Of course, draft isn't here is because people don't want to die.  "Any   
   more" has to do with the changed situation.   
      
   The real problem is, of course, the State Department started the   
   Syrian crisis since at least at least 2006, according to Wikileaks   
   diplomatic cable dumps.   
      
   Kerry tried to portray Russia as lawless; but it's really Washington   
   which, using covert assets like CIA operations, NGOs funded by the   
   National Endowment for Democracy and other agencies, etc. that made a   
   mess of Syria - overthrowing its government and setting the country on   
   fire, just as they done in Libya, Iraq, and Afghanistan.   
      
   And we can learn more by reading, for example, the article provided   
   at the following url:   
      http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/us-rubbishes-erdogan-claim-washingto   
   -support-isis-syria-1598282   
      
   lo yeeOn   
      
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