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   Brian W Lawrence   wrote:   
   >On 16/02/2017 19:57, *skriptis wrote:   
   >> Brian W Lawrence  Wrote in message:   
   >>> On 16/02/2017 11:56, *skriptis wrote:   
   >>>> Brian W Lawrence  Wrote in message:   
   >>>>> On 16/02/2017 08:52, TT wrote:   
   >>>>>> 16.2.2017, 1:20, The Iceberg kirjoitti:   
   >>>>>>> On Wednesday, 15 February 2017 20:01:02 UTC, *skriptis  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> TT  Wrote in message:   
   >>>>>>>>> 15.2.2017, 18:24, *skriptis kirjoitti:   
   >>>>>>>>>> Russia to US is not a hostile power.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Russia is hostile power to everyone. Even its own citizens.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> You disgust me.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Russia is a hostile power to everyone. Even its own citizen.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Wow, really factual and unbiased.   
   >>>>>>>> LOL   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> I knew it all the time, but now it's clear to everyone.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> we've had Iraq, Syria, Libya, secret Yemen war and trying to kill   
   >>>>>>> Castro 600 times but Russia is hostile!   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> False equivalence.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> 600 times? They should have sent Bronson. (The Mechanic)   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Most of those were simply mad suggestions made by Cuban exiles or   
   >>>>> dissidents still in Cuba. The CIA may have offered some encouragement,   
   >>>>> including maybe cash, but they were mostly figments of someone's   
   >>>>> imagination.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> The Soviet Union/Russia has been 'hostile' to most other countries since   
   >>>>> the revolution. It did have communist 'friends', but it enforced the   
   >>>>> friendship on its own terms. Since ~1992 Russia has seemingly diminished   
   >>>>> in power and influence and is trying to reimpose its will on its   
   >>>>> neighbours and perceived 'enemies'.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> And yet Trump seems unaware of the history. I read/heard that he thinks   
   >>>>> Russia will return the Crimea to Ukraine, but the Kremlin also saw that   
   >>>>> and said 'not going to happen'.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Is UK going to give back Falklands?   
   >>>   
   >>> No, but why is that relevant or remotely similar?   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> I'm not surprised you don't see any similarities. You'd post   
   >>  different stuff and think entirely differently if you were able   
   >>  to analyze and compare events in unbiased way. As it is, you're   
   >>  indoctrinated.   
   >>   
   >> Therefore any attempt to explain it to you, would be in vain. Futile.   
   >   
   >Well for once you are right, it would be futile. Maybe you could educate   
   >our other readers though, I'm sure they'd enjoy that.   
   >   
   >Projection?   
      
     >>>> Is UK going to give back Falklands?   
     >>>   
     >>> No, but why is that relevant or remotely similar?   
      
   For the sake of peace :), I'll take a stab.   
      
   Falkands' residents are overwhelmingly British.  And upwards of 80   
   percent of residents in Crimea are either Russians or have Russian   
   relatives.  And an overwhelming majority of Crimean residents want to   
   associate with Russia, not the strange-looking Kiev government   
   nurtured by Victoria Nuland with billions of NED money and closely   
   nannied by VP Joe Biden.   
      
   They are pro-Russian for good reasons.   
      
   Crimea is historically and culturally Russian.  Yalta, a city by the   
   Black Sea, is in Crimea and is famously Russian for a variety of   
   reasons.  Among them is Anton Chekhov, one of the famous Russian   
   writers of all time.   
      
   Another is the Yalta Conference.  Recall that the host at the time was   
   Joseph Stalin.  If the residents were real haters of Russia, Stalin   
   being there to host Roosevelt and Churcill in the twilight years of   
   WWII would have certainly been a strong reason for them to choose the   
   State Department's Vicki over Volodya in 2014.  But no, when the   
   Russian soldiers went down the peninsula that very night, when locals   
   weren't sure whether they were one of their own, they said: "Do not   
   fear, we are with you!"  Not one shot was fired in the process.  The   
   rest is history.   
      
   Then we can also learn from the vast mountain of information available   
   on the internet that much of Russia's one-millenium history was about   
   struggles between the Russians and tartars, with most of the tartars   
   eventually getting absorbed into Russia.   
      
   Finally, the Kerch Strait bridge project shows great care from Russia   
   to Crimea.  The importance Russia attached to Crimea is nothing to   
   sneer at.  It is not an attitude of a colonialist or an occupier.   
      
   lo yeeOn   
      
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