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|    There are so many questions about what h    |
|    22 Jun 17 03:29:29    |
      XPost: soc.culture.china, soc.culture.usa, soc.culture.latin-america       XPost: soc.culture.iraq, soc.culture.syria, soc.culture.german       XPost: rec.sport.tennis       From: acoustic@panix.com              Otto's death weighs on everyone. No one wants to be in his situation       and everyone can feel a lot of grief for his loved ones.              But it's not just grief. There are warmongers who are busy using the       tragedy to sell violence. E.g.,               "Trump should rain down hell fire on North Korea" (from Fox News)              There are over 20 million Koreans living in that country alone. Did       they have any choice in the matter at all, whether their rulers were       personally responsible for Otto's death? And we have to punish them       because we hate their leaders?              And what happened to another 25 million Koreans who are living in the       neighborhood of Seoul in the south alone?              Can we be sure that our hellfire would not trigger hellfire from the       north and make some of these 25 million people our collateral damage       too?              And what about our nearly 30 thousand soldiers over the DMZ on the 38       parallel?              Obviously, for a responsible administration, to try to get to the       bottom of Otto's tragedy must be a pre-requisite before we would draw       any conclusion about culpability. Remember that it has been written       in several media reports that historically NK has been careful about       its treatment of foreigners in captivity. They have nothing to gain       by abusing their foreign prisoners when they are in such a state of       isolation!              Here are some of the questions that have bugged me.              1) What happened to Otto that sent him into a coma in March 2016,       shortly after a publicized trial that seemed to greatly traumatize       him?              2) How did Otto remain in a coma for more than a year but was only       kept alive until shortly he came home?              3) How is it that the doctors who examined him in Cinci found no signs       of physical abuse to Otto, despite his condition?              4) Did someone tried to suffocate Otto by force and as a consequence       he suffered the brain damage (from deprivation of oxygen) that he had?              5) Since Otto was a big guy, how could it have been easy for some       prison guards to try to suffocate him without leaving any physical       sign of struggle?              6) Why was he taken home by people carrying him by hand instead of on       a stretcher? Wouldn't a stretcher be much more stable and much more       part of standard best medical practice?              7) How was NK able to keep him in a state of "unresponsive       wakefulness" for over a year unless the NK medical teams were       carefully keeping him alive all that time? So, they must have been       keeping a good medical record of his condition all these months, day       by day, at the least.              . . .              So, the Trump administration can at least make them cough up those       records. And it would be clear to them that it would not be to their       benefit if they didn't comply. (North Korea reportedly suggested that       it might be amenable to a nuclear test moratorium if the US/SK is       willing to halt their joint drill in front of the country. So, the       incentive to do anything reasonable to keep itself from being attacked       by the United States is quite real and realizable.)              It is really hard for me to see that President Trump would not explore       all avenues of peace before going to war against poor innocent Korean       citizens.              But then maybe something along this line has already happened. It       cannot be purely a coincidence that Dennis Rodman when to Pyongyang       the same time that State Department's Joseph Yun did in an official       role. It is possible that in an exchange of gift, a USB stick was       among the gifts from the NK government to Rodman.              But the American people aren't supposed to be more educated about the       things only our rulers are supposed to know, are we? Meanwhile, the       politicians must show that we ain't takin' no humiliation gently into       that good night, mustn't they?              And some people are trying to use Otto's tragedy to infer the misery       of living in North Korea in order to agitate the American people into       thinking that those poor Koreans must be liberated, even if it means       killing them with our bombs and missiles in order to liberate them.              But first strikes never work. It didn't work in Afghanistan, it       didn't work in Iraq. Nor did it work in Libya.              The interesting thing is there are not so many North Koreans in jails.              The reason they don't is a fact.              In fact, statistics show that more American citizens are incarcerated       than citizens of any other country on earth. And we're talking about       incarceration rate - nearly 1% of the general population.              And the reason why North Koreans don't necessary live a miserable life       as the West depicts them to can be as simple as the observation that       human beings as well as other living species on earth are       evolutionarily adaptive. They modify their behavior, thinking, as       well as attitude to live and prosper. It makes sense. It works here       in the US and the same in the USSR, in PRC, in feudal China, and did       in the medieval ages of Europe. But the last thing they want is to be       massacred. The way we are treating the North Koreans, using deceit,       does not help matter. We're not helping anybody - not the people on       the Korean peninsula, north and south - especially not ourselves.              We're screaming about a problem but we created that problem in the       first place by parking ourselves thousands of miles away from home,       meddling in somebody else's business.              Our rulers may even know that there isn't a solution to the problem       they advertise other than a threat for war. They may know because it       has been observed by many people who have thought about it. In the       case of North Korea, it is a problem without a solution for as long as       we continue to insist on controlling that part of the world using the       threat of violence. We keep tens of thousands of troops. We force       South Korea to take in our THAAD system that the Koreans there know       has nothing to do with protecting them. The THAAD system does not       protect South Korea from any military move from North Korea.              When they say we've got to do something, they are forcing a solution       where there isn't one.              To illustrate this point, I want to point out that recently, a German       cyclist, age 55, was killed in Berlin, by a Saudi diplomat who opened       the door of his Porsche suddenly.              The story is that the Saudi avoided prosecution because of his       diplomatic status.              What could Germany do? Nothing. There are problems which have no       solutions. Germany can neither go to bomb Saudi Arabia nor bomb       Berlin. It could not even seize the offending Saudi right in their       midst.              North Korea is kind of like that.              There is a cooler head approach to Otto's tragedy. But we choose              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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