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   "Lancelot Potresselli"  wrote in message   
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   >> In freeing Europe France lost 340.000 soldiers, US lost 160.000   
   >> soildiers.   
   >> Thank you France!   
   >> Sovjet lost 13.000.000 soldiers, so if anybody should pop up on this NG   
   >> every day and ask us to be grateful it should be the Russians.   
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   > Your numbers are intriguing but quite wrong. You stipulated "in freeing   
   > Europe" which I interpret as meaning French who fought AFTER the official   
   > June 1940 surrender. You say France lost 340,000 soldiers? According to   
   > Soviet scholar Boris Urlanis who put many years of research into the topic   
   > of W.W.II deaths, Free French,KIA,(killed in action from 1940-1945)   
   > numbered   
   > 58,000. Add to this, 20,000 KIA resistance forces.   
   > Then we can dismiss Alsatian French conscripts KIA w/German army: 40,000   
   > because in this instance the number represented French killed fighting FOR   
   > Hitler. So we are back to an approx. total of 78,000. There were 40,000   
   > French troop deaths as Prisoners of War so let's discount that number as   
   > anything representing fighting to free Europe. Then we show KIA, 1939-40   
   > War: 92,000 which again has nothing to do with freeing Europe because from   
   > 1939 to 1940, Hitler's conquest of Europe was only just beginning. And so   
   > we   
   > see that a figure of 340,000 French troops killed freeing Europe is   
   > preposterous. The real figure approximates 78,000 yet the original poster   
   > wants us to believe that France lost 53% more troops freeing Europe than   
   > the   
   > United States. What nonsensical crap! Oh by the way: David Drake,   
   > Intellectuals and Politics in Post-War France: 10,000 summary executions   
   > and   
   > 791 legal executions of FRENCH COLLABORATIONISTS.   
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   > Let's go back now and look at Boris Ulanis's figures regarding American   
   > troops who died to free Europe. It's about 109,000 while close to 400,000   
   > died in all three theaters of war including North Africa. And so the truth   
   > is that America lost 39% more troops fighting to free Europe than did   
   > France. So much for the propagandistically inflated figures of the poster   
   > whom I am proving lies like a rug.   
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   > Regarding Russian troops killed freeing Europe, estimates range between 10   
   > to 14 MILLION so I can't find fault with the poster's number. Furthermore   
   > all Allied armies in WWII owe a debt of gratitude to Joe Stalin and his   
   > Generals because 8 out of every 10 Germans killed in the war were at the   
   > hands of Russian troops. Russia certainly did turn nasty as hell after the   
   > war--became a menace bigger than Hitler ever was but history proves   
   > without   
   > her guts and determination, Hitler would have ruled all of Europe and   
   > perhaps, in due time, the world.   
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   > Lancelot   
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   How can you say anthing good about stalin.   a murderous brute even to his   
   own people.   
      
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