XPost: alt.france   
   From: j.murphy@nospamlibertysurf.fr   
      
   rumpelstilskin wrote:   
   > john of  aix,   
   > if thats what you want to believe that is quite fine.   
   > But saying   
   > something doesn't make it true.   
   >   
   > And you can't have it both ways.   I still do not know why your   
   > country makes all the graveyards so nice and   
   > pretty if all these these skeletons were just once selfish americain   
   > people storming the coasts of france for their own personal benefit.   
      
   I did not say that stupid boy.   
      
   > Most citizens have not heard any thanks ever; so naturally it would   
   > be nice for them   
   > to hear it once; instead of the constant criticism and the picture of   
   > chirac doing everything he can to work against us.   
      
   Chirac wasn't working against you, Chirac was working for you, like the   
   vast majority of the world he was trying to stop you making a big   
   mistake militarily and morally. You were too pigheaded to listen and now   
   you find yourself in absolute shit in Iraq, a country now in complete   
   anarchy.   
      
   > And I can't help but wonder what the relatives of these dead soldiers   
   > think of your statements about bullshit, etc.:e.g::   
      
   I expect they are capable of reading them and understanding them, you   
   obviously aren't.   
      
   >> You didn't make these   
   >> sacrifices for 'us' you made them for yourselves, no one else. The   
   >> fact that you helped liberate France from the Nazis was an aside and   
   >> unavoidable, your aim was to destroy a system, the German National   
   >> Socialist system, which would have destroyed the USA as we know it in   
   >> the end had their power continued to affirm itself. That is the   
   >> reason you joined the war, no other, so don't dream about it.   
   >   
   > <<<<  1.  You can't separate defeating hitler and liberating europe.   
   > 2.   Nobody,  knows what would have happened if usa had not joined the   
   > european theater.....You can't say they would have destroyed the USA,   
   > because no one can say in fact what would have happened.   <<<<<   
      
   You see you don't read things properly, I said 'it would  have destroyed   
   the USA as we know it' which is the case. The USA would either be under   
   a national socialist system itself, if Germany's might was such, or it   
   would   
   have been at its behest because they controlled the industrialized   
   world.   
      
   >   
   >> Of course Western   
   >> Europe is happy   
   > <<<<<   
   >> that the USA, Canada, Britain, New Zealand, Australia   
   >> and various British colonies contributed to the magnificent invasion   
   >> in June 1944 that brought them their freedom directly but we don't   
   >> owe you anything for it, sorry.   
   >   
   > <<<< In fact it cost Europe a great deal of money,   
   >> not the costs of war, the destruction, the necessary rebuilding, but   
   >> the 'aid' given by the USA which was fact loans, loans so important   
   >> that they have only just been paid back.   
   >   
   >   <<<<< like new zealand or canada??<<<<<   
      
   I'm not complaining about the loans or their source, I'm trying to get   
   into your very uneducated head some facts about the matter. I repeat:,   
   the USA came to Europe primarily for its own selfish reasons, it made a   
   fat profit out of that and assured its dominant post-war position in the   
   world. I am not talking about the average soldier who honestly believed   
   that this was entirely about fighting 'evil', I am talking about   
   politicians that have a far broader outlook on things, are responsible   
   for the direction their nation takes and for its success. Nor am I   
   criticising their decision, in the circumstances it was probably the   
   right one from the USA's point of view, but there was very little   
   'moral'   
   about it, just business.   
      
   >   
   >> So forget this bullshit about the USA saving the world, it didn't, it   
   >> just participated in a common effort to do so (mainly on the part of   
   >> the USSR) and made fat profits out of it.   
   >>   
   > <<<< germany and did not enter the war until hitler attacked them <<<<<<<<   
      
   I read history books, I see who fought who and where during WWII and I   
   see how many millions of Russians gave their lives in unyielding   
   battles.   
      
   >    Would you rather that our boys   
   > stayed home in WWII?   
      
   Of course not, whatever would make you think that, oh yes, your   
   comprehension difficulties, or rather, your prejudices.   
      
   > but sure go ahead and say we had selfish reasons for sending our   
   > young boys off to europe to be blown to bits.   
      
   Yes you had selfish reasons for sending your boys to Europe to be blown   
   to bits just as politicians everywhere have selfish reasons for sending   
   their boys anywhere to be blown to bits. Get real.   
      
   > all i can say is i am glad my dad is buried here and because of my   
   > mom's situation, he never had to be drafted.     Im glad he didn't   
   > end up in the normandy graveyards.   but some weren't so lucky.   
      
   Indeed and bless them all.   
      
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