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   From: TheFirstAmerican@iwuzherefirst.org   
      
   "captain."  wrote in message   
   news:AKxFh.1110$ka5.21@edtnps90...   
   > if airbus goes down the aviation industry will have lost a holy and   
   > guiding light.   
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   Stop sobbing uncontrolably cap,   
      
   It's a fake re-org. First off the numbers are half of what they were   
   supposed to be. Secondly, the cuts are over 4 years time.   
   Thirdly, the severed heads will roll from contractors, not employees. They   
   don't show up on the balance sheets the same as employees...and Airbust can   
   cleanly dump them. Most of the rest will come from natural attrition...most   
   likely buy outs to the old geezers who are near retirement anyway.   
      
   It's questionable as to just how much cost savings Airbust will gain.   
      
   2013 is optimistic for the A350. It's probably more like 2015. The order   
   book for A380s essentially hasn't moved in two years. It's at 166 right now.   
   They need to sell at least 420 to make any money. That number is probably   
   much higher by now. One thing Airbus is not talking about too much is the   
   fact that the A380 is obese and can't carry the previously stated number of   
   passengers. Also the A350 will cost 30% more than a 787 and be less fuel   
   efficient.   
      
   About the only thing Airbust is selling are A320 single aisles. Right now   
   Boeing is a little behind on orders but virtually all of Boeing's sales are   
   for big profit wide bodies and virtually all of Airbust's sales are for the   
   cheapy A320s.   
      
   Boeing needs to get off their butts and announce a composite 737. Boeing is   
   sold-out on some models and is actually turning customers away...or so they   
   say. First few years of 787 production is definitely sold out....and still   
   on track for 2008 delivery.   
   The big problem for Boeing and the 787 is the lazy Italian workers.   
      
   Too bad about Boeing losing the Aeroflop order.   
      
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   > "The First Solutrean"  wrote in   
   > message news:rxlFh.357$lr4.260@newsfe12.lga...   
   >> P.S.   
   >>   
   >> The whiners in the unions should be glad it's only 10,000 jobs. It should   
   >> have been 20,000. The other thing that's being missed here is the   
   >> redundancies are all coming from contract workers or people who are   
   >> leaving Airbus anyway. Those people just won't be replaced.   
   >>   
   >> So what we are talking about is economic efficiencies that won't ever   
   >> exist really. Airbus will still be as bloated and bureaucratic as before.   
   >> Virtually no union guys will lose their jobs outright.   
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   >> "The First Solutrean"  wrote in   
   >> message news:a7dFh.78$Lp7.50@newsfe12.lga...   
   >>> Lots of job cuts today at Airbust. Keep that guillotine blade sharp!   
   >>> I'll bet Airbust is a fun place to be today! Layoffs are always good for   
   >>> morale!   
   >>>   
   >>> Meanwhile, Airbus is quietly shipping jobs out to the US and China.   
   >>>   
   >>> They are building an A320 factory in China...supposedly just for Chinese   
   >>> A320s. Once the factory is up and running the next logical step is to   
   >>> have the Chinese build all of the A320s. If you can pay a Chinaman   
   >>> $100/month, why would you pay a German, the most costly labor in the   
   >>> world?   
   >>>   
   >>> Airbust also is getting ready to open its second engineering center in   
   >>> the US. This one, in Alabama, will design interiors for the A350... more   
   >>> jobs that will not be going to the Euros.   
   >>>   
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