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   From: riain@riain.us   
      
   You have no grasp of reality, because of your irrational hate of Jews.   
      
      
      
   "dandelion"  wrote in message   
   news:1100380248.jvTKjgAIYqRc2nCOfGu53g@teranews...   
   | With all the highly-regarded research, complete with documentation   
   | coming out of universities such as Oxford, Cambridge and other   
   | institutions throughout Europe and the US, the wealth of evidence   
   | proving the COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE ZIONAZIS AND   
   | THE NAZIS WILL GROW EVEN MORE!   
   |   
   | That the filthy ZHIDS do not like this truth to be known is obvious,   
   | because then the HOLOHOAX will be shown for a sham...   
   |   
   |   
   | On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 15:55:28 -0500, "Riain Y. Barton"    
   | wrote:   
   |   
   | >Your source is a complete LIE and REVISIONIST history, therefore 100%   
   | >FICTION.   
   | >   
   |   
   | >"dandelion"  wrote in message   
   | >news:1100368982.mSAnRi5X7ma6grVpAOtbyw@teranews...   
   | >| It will not be surprising to find after even more research, that even   
   | >| more incidents of ZHID/Nazi COLLABORATION happened!!   
   | >|   
   | >| Surely this should cause those countries paying tribute dollars to the   
   | >| ZHIDS, to consider demanding repayment?   
   | >|   
   | >|   
   | >| On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:51:02 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb   
   | >|  wrote:   
   | >|   
   | >| >Newsgroups:   
   | >|   
   | >   
    >soc.culture.swiss,soc.culture.european,soc.culture.europe,soc.   
   ulture.polish,soc.culture.germany   
   | >| >On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, c@c.cc wrote:   
   | >| >51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis   
   | >| >   
   | >| >September 2004, page 86   
   | >| >Book Review   
   | >| >51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis   
   | >| >By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List: $22; AET:   
   | >| >$15.   
   | >| >   
   | >| >Reviewed by Sara Powell   
   | >| >It’s no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to advance   
   | >| >the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native   
   | >| >inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,   
   | >| >Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly few   
   | >| >limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received little   
   | >| >coverage in the American media.   
   | >| >   
   | >| >Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has compiled a wide variety of letters,   
   | >| >statements, articles, and judgements—some of which appeared in his   
   | >| >earlier   
   | >| >book—by a broad array of activists and authors, that documents Zionist   
   | >| >cooperration with the Nazis.   
   | >| >   
   | >| >On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner   
   | >| >presents the case—made in many Zionists’ own words—that the Nazi   
   | >| >agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the Zionist   
   | >| >plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and creating a   
   | >| >new Jewish nation.   
   | >| >   
   | >| >In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is   
   | >| >organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,   
   | >| >pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the   
   | >| >Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the Nazis.   
   | >| >Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of   
   | >| >collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to   
   | >| >others written in response.   
   | >| >   
   | >| >These latter do indicate levels of collaboration between Zionists and   
   | >| >fascists, both the Nazis in Germany, and those in Mussolini’s Italy.   
   | >| >Brenner’s brief explanatory notes at the beginning of each document   
   | >| >are helpful, as are the glossary and index.   
   | >| >   
   | >| >51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and   
   | >| >requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the part   
   | >| >of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort, however,   
   | >| >are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some Zionists   
   | >| >eschewed the boycott against Hitler’s Germany, for instance, is that   
   | >| >they had a financial deal—Ha’avara—with Germany allowing Jews to   
   | >| >exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less of   
   | >| >a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists   
   | >| >today are so organized and experienced in their public relations   
   | >| >efforts discover that these battles have been fought before. Moreover,   
   | >| >the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of “nationality” versus   
   | >| >citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are based on the   
   | >| >same concept.   
   | >| >   
   | >| >51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term “Holocaust   
   | >| >guilt,” frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for   
   | >| >not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents   
   | >| >make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who made   
   | >| >the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to place   
   | >| >Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives of their   
   | >| >threatened European brethren.   
   | >| >   
   | >| >From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on Feb.   
   | >| >18, 1943:   
   | >| >   
   | >| >And when some asked me: “Can’t you give money from Keren Ha Yesod   
   | >| >(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora?” I said:   
   | >| >“No!” And again I say no....And, because of these things, people   
   | >| >called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I’m guilty, for the fact   
   | >| >that we don’t give ourselves completely to rescue actions. (p. 211)   
   | >| >   
   | >| >However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather   
   | >| >disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this   
   | >| >reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically align   
   | >| >themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally saw race   
   | >| >as an important dividing line—and, moreover, were determined to keep   
   | >| >it that way.   
   | >| >   
   | >| >From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,“assimilation” of Jews   
   | >| >into the societies in which they lived was not an acceptable option.   
   | >| >Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on a national level, not   
   | >| >a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, “It is impossible for a man   
   | >| >to become assimilated with people whose blood is different from his   
   | >| >own”   
   | >| >(p. 10); in Einstein’s words, “Palestine is first and foremost not a   
      
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