XPost: alt.non.racism, alt.flame.niggers, alt.society.liberalism   
   XPost: misc.survivalism, scrus.general, neworleans.general   
   XPost: houston.general   
   From: Lawrence_Glickman@comcast.net   
      
   On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:53:49 -0700, Robert Sturgeon   
    wrote:   
      
   >On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:23:24 -0500, Lawrence Glickman   
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >>On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:02:43 +0000 (UTC), "Rifleman"   
   >> wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>>"Sue"  wrote in message   
   >>>news:gofbh1higjsv14qscj6fjq8g47uslc7id8@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>Either you are a goddamn liar, or the 'brit' news agency that you are   
   >>>>>watching is playing editor with the 'over print' machine.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>n.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>One channel even has footage of cops telling people to help themselves   
   >>>>while the cops help themselves.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>If you are stealing for some essential item to KEEP YOU ALIVE...you   
   >>have my signed permission to proceed.   
   >   
   >I saw a talking head lawyer on TV type explaining that   
   >necessity is a defense for looting.  I suspect that was   
   >correct - for food, water, etc.  Not for electronics,   
   >jewelry, etc.   
   >   
   >>The gray area is taking shit you don't need for survival.  Who the   
   >>fuck are these robbers supposed to PAY for this shit anyhow?  Eh?   
   >>Where is the fucking cashier?   
   >>   
   >>NO is FUBAR.  It has been hit with the equivalent of a nuclear bomb.   
   >>In that environment, rules are going to be tossed out the window, and   
   >>I don't see a damn thing wrong with that.   
   >   
   >The situation as portrayed on the news is of a total   
   >societal breakdown.  There is no "law" but the law of   
   >survival and power.   
   >   
   >>If I needed medicine, I would be stealing it out of the pharmacy right   
   >>this second.   
   >   
   >According to the arithmetic provided by the news (perhaps   
   >100,000 to be evacuated, at a maximum rate of 15,000 per   
   >day), there could be thousands in extreme peril awaiting   
   >evacuation due to lack of water.  Most of them look like   
   >they could go awhile without any food...   
   >   
   >This is a true survival situation, with those who had the   
   >supplies, wherewithal, and foresight to get the hell out of   
   >town surviving, albeit in discomfort; while those with no   
   >"cushion" whatsoever, no resources to get themselves out,   
   >are left to fend for themselves in nightmarish conditions.   
   >It looks like the people left in New Orleans are mostly   
   >welfare clients who have lived on government assistance for   
   >years, if not generations.  I know, that looks racist, since   
   >they are almost all black.  Well, tough.  That's what it   
   >looks like.   
   >   
   >Anyway, the years of dependence have apparently convinced   
   >them that the government is capable of always meeting their   
   >basic needs, no matter what happens.  With conditions beyond   
   >anyone's ability to help them, they are truly on their own,   
   >at least for a few days, and with no way to cope with the   
   >situation - a situation that is life-threatening.  Perhaps   
   >some of the survivors will reconsider the efficacy being   
   >totally dependent on the government.  OK, no they won't.  Oh   
   >well...   
      
   So some of these people left in the city, out of 480,000, 15 to 20   
   thousand stayed behind for one reason or another, I hear things like   
   "a sea of humanity sitting and lying on Lake Ponchetrain Bridge," are   
   being evacuated by helicopters.  They have the "72 Golden Hours"   
   before death begins to start harvesting the herd, for lack of water if   
   nothing else.   
      
   It is a race against time right now, and the Official Orders are for   
   everyone to evacuate the city, and they won't be allowed to return for   
   12 to 16 weeks, because the situation is unfit for human habitation.   
      
   In fact, the levels in Lake Ponchetrain and the city have equalized,   
   and the Army Corps of Engineers can't find anything to stop the 500   
   foot breech in the levie ( they wanted 7 ton sandbags and 15 foot   
   concrete highway dividers, dropped by Chinook helicopters, but can't   
   get them on site because of the debris filled rivers ), they're   
   considering using a barge.  This tells me there was NEVER A PLAN to   
   deal with this OBVIOUS THREAT.  People in charge are standing around   
   with their thumbs stuck in their assholes, wondering what to do about   
   a problem they have known about for as long as I've been alive.   
      
   But this is just the beginning of a LONG NIGHTMARE, as thousands are   
   probably already dead in attics and in the water, and the rotting   
   process has begun.  They will decompose in the water or be eaten by   
   sealife; there is a report of at least one shark swimming around in   
   water up to 20 feet deep.  The rotting bodies in the houses...who   
   knows?   
      
   Looting, bands of armed men roaming about ( with guns stolen from a   
   local walmart ), one cop shot in the head for trying to stop the   
   thefts, so the cops now are just watching and doing nothing to stop   
   the raiders of the sunken ark, because they are under orders to Rescue   
   only.  Gunfire in the night, over what who knows what and who cares.   
      
   Civilization as we know it has disappeared from the Easy, and this is   
   what it looks like after only a few days.  There is a lesson in this   
   for all of us who plan on *bugging in.*   
      
   Lg   
      
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