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   From: omnipitus2002@yahoo.com   
      
   Peter Petrofski  wrote in message   
   news:blvbhl$atl$00$1@news.t-online.com...   
   > "Count 1"  wrote in message   
   > news:blulsd$gf2gv$1@ID-130993.news.uni-berlin.de...   
   > >   
   > > Sorry peter...Europeans have no pedestal to stand on comparing media.   
   In   
   > > North America there are literally hundreds of media outlets ranging from   
   > > extremely left to extremely right.   
   >   
   > okay. but obviously some people don't value that diverse information   
   sources   
   > enough. I just had the expression that 'none' can't handle it very well   
   > because he called it propagandy, wich is the wrong word.   
   >   
   > and yes. you might have even more extreme media, I don't know. but I have   
   > the impression that the main media is more or less conform, don'T you   
   think?   
   > critics are much more in danger of losing reputation or job by being   
   > non-conform.   
      
   I think the optics create that impression easily.  However the mainstream   
   media would kill their own mothers to get a story on the level of a   
   watergate, thereby destroying the administration.   
      
   While there is no doubt various mainstream media outlets shamelessly wear   
   their biases on their sleeves they would all report a verifiable story no   
   matter how damning.   
      
   > > BTW - can you dismiss the article on its merits rather than attacking   
   > > 'none'? Is it reasonable to assume that Germans have a different view of   
   > > this conflict than Americans based largely on the rumblings of the   
   German   
   > > media?  And has the German media been concerned with portraying a   
   balanced   
   > > view?   
   >   
   >   
   > I actually don'T think it comes from the media. it's the people here, that   
   > think different. here it wasn't clear why after years of saddam there's   
   > suddenly not the time to wait for a couple of months and check out other   
   > concepts. we didn'T believe there was a threat from Iraq that justified   
   war.   
      
   My German father (his house was bombed on his seventh birthday) would agree   
   completely with you.  Germans know far too well what war can do to a   
   country.   
      
   > I think people here are not very impressed by Mr. Bush. remember the show   
   on   
   > the aircraft carrier. Personally, I think that was so ridiculous. I really   
   > had to laugh about him. I don't know people here, that can take Bush for   
   > serious.   
   > About the American people all I can say is that we do not understand why   
   > they back up their president that much when he actually has nothing in his   
   > hands.   
   > why do they?   
      
   Chalk it up to a difference between American's and German's. America is   
   engaging in a proactive foriegn policy with first strike options being made   
   available, in stark contrast to the Clinton Administration. The only way to   
   gauge its success on the American people is to see if the guy gets elected,   
   and at this point it isn't looking good.   
      
   > maybe it's the fear of terror in their own country.   
      
   Without a doubt.   
      
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