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   Adam Whyte-Settlar  wrote in   
   news:c6e66005-7210-4c1b-9de1-f3a1d259f9cb@googlegroups.com:   
      
   > as storage is its not possible, with the   
   >> exception of limited hydro, to store their energy.   
   >   
   > Of course storage is possible.   
   > It's been possible for decades   
      
   Really?   
      
   > If anything the problem is there are so many competing systems for   
   > storage that a market leader has yet to emerge from the dogfight - but   
   > it's just a matter of time. The current best option is the established   
   > pumped hydro storage   
      
   Biggest pumped storge scheme in the UK is in Wales. It can supply North   
   Wales at normal consumption for 18 hours before it is completely empty   
   and takes a month to refill.  The largest one in the world currently is   
   in Bath County is the US. It could run North Wales for a day and a half.   
   Not much help if a high pressure zone settles over UK in December for a   
   couple of weeks and all those windmills grind to a halt, as happened   
   in Denmark a few years back, forcing them to import coal and gas   
   generated power from Germany. Any other suggestion?   
      
   > but there are lots of others being developed.   
      
   Such as? I think you've been listening to Mr "Use Laptop Batteries"   
      
   > The   
   > technology is leaping forwards on an almost monthly basis these days.   
      
   Is it? Yet we haven't seen much advancement over the last 50 years in   
   the real world, rather than the lab.   
      
   > The wearisome 'windmills don't work when it's not windy" really is   
   > pathetic 'denial for dummies' stuff you know.   
      
   But it's true, you know. All it takes is a frosty week in January to   
   highlight its achilles heel.   
      
      
   > It's not like we have a   
   > choice - we either develop renewables rapid or the lights go out.   
      
   Like what happens with PV cells at night?   
      
   > Nuclear is a total non-starter for all the obvious reasons.   
      
   Nuclear is the only option for base load. Renewables are the non starter   
   for that and just a new-age hippy pipe-dream. Thorium-based nuclear is   
   the most promising and cost effective.   
      
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