From: ce11son@yahoo.ca   
      
   On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 19:03:14 +0000 (UTC), soupdragon    
   wrote:   
      
   >Adam Whyte-Settlar  wrote in   
   >news:c6e66005-7210-4c1b-9de1-f3a1d259f9cb@googlegroups.com:   
   >   
   >> as storage is its not possible, with the   
   >>> exception of limited hydro, to store their energy.   
   >>   
   >> Of course storage is possible.   
   >> It's been possible for decades   
   >   
   >Really?   
   >   
   >> If anything the problem is there are so many competing systems for   
   >> storage that a market leader has yet to emerge from the dogfight - but   
   >> it's just a matter of time. The current best option is the established   
   >> pumped hydro storage   
   >   
   >Biggest pumped storge scheme in the UK is in Wales.   
   >   
   Scotland acksherly. Cruachan with 10 GWh/11.3 Mm^3, Dinorwig has 9.1   
   GWh/6.7 Mm^3. Foyers has more water stored (13.6 Mm^3) but with less   
   head; Dinorwig has the highest output at 1.8 GW.   
      
   >It can supply North Wales at normal consumption for 18 hours   
   >   
   But tends to get used (along with Foyers) to supply *ngland for a few   
   minutes when people go for a leak and/or put the kettle on at the end   
   of Coronation Street and E Stenders.   
      
   >before it is completely empty   
   >and takes a month to refill.  The largest one in the world currently is   
   >in Bath County is the US. It could run North Wales for a day and a half.   
   >Not much help if a high pressure zone settles over UK in December for a   
   >couple of weeks and all those windmills grind to a halt, as happened   
   >in Denmark a few years back, forcing them to import coal and gas   
   >generated power from Germany. Any other suggestion?   
   >   
   >> but there are lots of others being developed.   
   >   
   >Such as? I think you've been listening to Mr "Use Laptop Batteries"   
   >   
   >> The   
   >> technology is leaping forwards on an almost monthly basis these days.   
   >   
   >Is it? Yet we haven't seen much advancement over the last 50 years in   
   >the real world, rather than the lab.   
   >   
   >> The wearisome 'windmills don't work when it's not windy" really is   
   >> pathetic 'denial for dummies' stuff you know.   
   >   
   >But it's true, you know. All it takes is a frosty week in January to   
   >highlight its achilles heel.   
   >   
   >   
   >> It's not like we have a   
   >> choice - we either develop renewables rapid or the lights go out.   
   >   
   >Like what happens with PV cells at night?   
   >   
   >> Nuclear is a total non-starter for all the obvious reasons.   
   >   
   >Nuclear is the only option for base load. Renewables are the non starter   
   >for that and just a new-age hippy pipe-dream. Thorium-based nuclear is   
   >the most promising and cost effective.   
   >   
   >   
      
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