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   The Other Guy to All   
   Past thoughts on Climate (1/4)   
   09 Dec 14 18:28:56   
   
   From: KnewsKgnus@gmail.com   
      
   Now, lets look into the motivational background of a few typical players   
   in the green climate movement.   
      
   On their love for the human race:   
      
   Paul Ehrlich, professor, Stanford University: “A cancer is an uncontrolled   
   multiplication of cells; the population explosion is an uncontrolled   
   multiplication of people. We must shift our efforts from the treatment of   
   the symptoms to the cutting out of the cancer.” John Holdren, now   
   President Obama’s science czar made this statement before taking on that   
   role: “There exists ample authority under which population growth could be   
   regulated…It has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws,   
   even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained   
   under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became   
   sufficiently severe to endanger the society.”   
      
   Ted Turner, billionaire, founder of CNN and major UN donor: “A total   
   population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels,   
   would be ideal.”   
      
   David Foreman, co-founder of Earth First!: “My three main goals would be   
   to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the   
   industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with it’s full complement of   
   species, returning throughout the world.”   
      
   David Brower, a founder of the Sierra Club: “Childbearing should be a   
   punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government   
   license. All potential parents should be required to use contraceptive   
   chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for   
   childbearing.”   
      
   Thoughts on cheap power   
      
   Cheap power is the ultimate lever for multiplying human effort and   
   productivity. The end of worldwide slavery can be directly tied to the   
   advent of steam power, and the availability of cheap electrical power was   
   a key enabler for the creation of a large middle class and the advancement   
   of women’s rights, among many other profoundly positive sociological   
   changes. What do key green players think about cheap power?   
      
   Paul Ehrlich, professor, Stanford University: “Giving society cheap,   
   abundant energy would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine   
   gun.”   
      
   Jeremy Rifkin, Greenhouse Crisis Foundation: “The prospect of cheap fusion   
   energy is the worst thing that could happen to the planet.”   
      
   “Under my plan of a cap-and-trade system, electricity rates would   
   necessarily skyrocket. Coal powered plants, you know, natural gas, you   
   name it, whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, they would   
   have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass   
   that money on to consumers.”   
      
   -Presidential candidate Barack Obama, January 2008   
      
   With that background in mind, here are some quotes from before 1970, the   
   70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, and 10s. Recognize any of the players? Care to guess   
   if the world has suffered any of the projected climate disasters?   
      
      
      
   Before 1970   
      
   The Arctic ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some   
   places the seals are finding the water too hot…. Reports from fishermen,   
   seal hunters and explorers, he declared, all point to a radical change in   
   climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic   
   zone… Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and   
   stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers   
   have entirely disappeared. Very few seals and no white fish are found in   
   the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts, which have   
   never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal   
   fishing grounds. -Washington Post 11/2/1922   
      
   Scientist says Arctic ice will wipe out Canada, Professor Gregory of Yale   
   University stated that “another world ice-epoch is due.” He was the   
   American representative to the Pan-Pacific Science Congress and warned   
   that North America would disappear as far south as the Great Lakes, and   
   huge parts of Asia and Europe would be “wiped out.” –Chicago Tribune   
   August 9, 1923   
      
   The discoveries of changes in the sun’s heat and southward advance of   
   glaciers in recent years have given rise to the conjectures of the   
   possible advent of a new ice age -Time Magazine 9/10/1923   
      
   America in longest warm spell since 1776; temperature line records a 25   
   year rise – New York Times 3/27/1933   
      
   A mysterious warming of the climate is slowly manifesting itself in the   
   Arctic, engendering a “serious international problem,” -New York Times –   
   May 30, 1947   
      
   Greenland’s polar climate has moderated so consistently that communities   
   of hunters have evolved into fishing villages. Sea mammals, vanishing from   
   the west coast, have been replaced by codfish and other fish species in   
   the area’s southern waters. -New York Times August 29, 1954   
      
   After a week of discussions on the causes of climate change, an assembly   
   of specialists from several continents seems to have reached unanimous   
   agreement on only one point: it is getting colder. -New York Times –   
   January 30, 1961   
      
   Like an outrigger canoe riding before a huge comber, the earth with its   
   inhabitants is caught on the downslope of an immense climatic wave that is   
   plunging us toward another Ice Age.   
      
   -Los Angeles Times December 23, 1962 The battle to feed humanity is over.   
   In the 1970s, the world will undergo famines. Hundreds of millions of   
   people are going to starve to death in spite of any crash programs   
   embarked upon now. – Paul Ehrlich – The Population Bomb (1968)   
      
   It is now pretty clearly agreed that the CO2 content [in the atmosphere]   
   will rise 25% by 2000. This could increase the average temperature near   
   the earth’s surface by   
      
   7 degrees Fahrenheit. This in turn could raise the level of the sea by 10   
   feet. Goodbye New York. Goodbye Washington, for that matter. -Presidential   
   adviser Daniel Moynihan, 1969 (later Sen. [D] from New York 1976-2000)   
      
   From the 70s   
      
   “Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical evidence to   
   support…the following predictions: In a decade, urban dwellers will have   
   to wear gas masks to survive air   
      
   pollution…by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight   
   reaching earth by one half….” -Life Magazine, January 1970   
      
   “At the present rate of nitrogen buildup, it’s only a matter of time   
   before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere and none of our land   
   will be usable.” -Kenneth Watt, Ecologist   
      
   “If present trends continue, the world will be … eleven degrees colder by   
   the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice   
   age.” -Kenneth E.F. Watt in “Earth Day,” 1970.   
      
      
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