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   Nicholas Benjamin  wrote in   
   news:e5816cdd-1415-4638-8714-cf6dc72a222b@googlegroups.com:   
      
   > On Thursday, April 30, 2015 at 7:59:11 PM UTC-4, soupdragon wrote:   
   >> Nicholas Benjamin  wrote in   
   >> news:16e1637f-7000-4e83-a528-61fc1afd3db6@googlegroups.com:   
   >>   
   >> > On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 at 8:00:38 PM UTC-4, Charles Ellson   
   >> > wrote:   
   >> >> On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 23:07:47 +0000 (UTC), Louis Epstein   
   >> >>  wrote:   
   >> >>   
   >> >> >In alt.talk.royalty soupdragon  wrote:   
   >> >> >> Louis Epstein  wrote in   
   >> >> >> news:mhpn2l$3gf$1@reader1.panix.com:   
   >> >> >>   
   >> >> >>> In alt.talk.royalty soupdragon  wrote:   
   >> >> >>>> Louis Epstein  wrote in news:mhc0ie$la2$1   
   >> >> >>>> @reader1.panix.com:   
   >> >> >>>>   
   >> >> >>>>>>>> So why cross post it to scs, where their 'relevance' is   
   >> >> >>>>>>>> no more than any other Scot killed in the wars? What, in   
   >> >> >>>>>>>> particular, merits their 'adoration' by you over any   
   >> >> >>>>>>>> other Scot who also die   
   >> > d   
   >> >> >>>>>>>> but you fail to salute?   
   >> >> >>>>>>>   
   >> >> >>>>>>> I post it to the soc.culture groups of the nationalities   
   >> >> >>>>>>> of all the men listed.It represent the intersection of the   
   >> >> >>>>>>> groups to which it is cross-posted.   
   >> >> >>>>>>   
   >> >> >>>>>> You didn't answer the question. Let me repeat it for you:   
   >> >> >>>>>>   
   >> >> >>>>>> What, in particular, merits their 'adoration' by you over   
   >> >> >>>>>> any othe   
   >> > r   
   >> >> >>>>>> Scot who also died but you fail to salute?   
   >> >> >>>>>>   
   >> >> >>>>>   
   >> >> >>>>> I did answer the question.They are the Scots relevant to   
   >> >> >>>>> a.t.r, from which this is cross-posted.   
   >> >> >>>>   
   >> >> >>>> No you didn't. You answered an entirely different question. I   
   >> >> >>>> didn't ask you why it was relevant to a.t.r. Try again.   
   >> >> >>>   
   >> >> >>> If they didn't represent the intersection of relevance to both   
   >> >> >>> s.c.s and a.t.r I wouldn't be cross-posting to the two groups.   
   >> >> >>   
   >> >> >> Explain the relevance to s.c.s.   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> >Already done.   
   >> >> >Do you have problems realizing that people relevant to a.t.r   
   >> >> >can also be relevant to s.c.s?   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> Do you have a problem realising you're not welcome in s.c.s ?   
   >> >   
   >> > That's a remarkably dumb thing to say on a post that's crossposted   
   >> > to groups where he is welcome.   
   >>   
   >> Given that he's the one who initiated the crosspost to a Scottish   
   >> culture group and caused the offence in the first place (and   
   >> repeatedly   
   >   
   >> does so each year despite requests for him to stop) perhaps you   
   >> should direct your ire at Louis.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> > It's even dumber given the activity level on this list. Today there   
   >> > have been posts on two issues: this, and one idiot going on about   
   >> > how he won't do porn. Prior to that all activity has been   
   >> > non-Scots-related commentary by the no-porn guy and a bunch of   
   >> > stuff in Spanish that is apparently vaguely related to religion.   
   >> > The last message that was on-topic prior to this thread was posted   
   >> > on the 12th, and was a call for all the humans still on the list to   
   >> > go to Facebook.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> Firstly, this is not a list, it is a Usenet news group called   
   >> soc.culture.scottish. Secondly activity level is irrelevant. Besides   
   >> we like it quiet. Thirdly, you are not the one who decides what is   
   >> on-topic for the group. The group does that through its charter, FAQ   
   >> and custom and practice   
   >>   
   >> > Now if you wanted to use this as a springboard to talk about the   
   >> > Nobility's role in modern Scotland, or criticize them, or even   
   >> > demand a Scots-only-list,   
   >>   
   >> Nothing to do with a Scots-only group. This group is for those   
   >> interested in Scottish culture, irrespective of nationality. Scotland   
   >> has a long military history that is held in high esteem by its people   
   >> including the sacrifice made by all who died in the wars. This guy   
   >> doesn't even read the group yet insists on crossposting to it every   
   >> Armastice Day a post that suggests the only Scots who died in war   
   >> that matter and are worth saluting are a few of the priveledged class   
   >> and the rest of the Scottish war dead don't even merit a mention.   
   >> Which is extremely offensive to the vast majority of Scottish people.   
   >>   
   >> >Demanding the only guy on   
   >> > this list whose actually talking about shit that is even vaguely   
   >> > related to Scottish culture shut the fuck up, by cross-posting to   
   >> > numerous groups where people who like are gonna read it, OTOH, is   
   >> > dumber then paste.   
   >>   
   >> He's the one who initiated the crosspost. Take it up with him. But   
   >> just to putting Scottish culture into context, Robert Burns is the   
   >> national poet and to quote him - The rank is but a guinea stamp, the   
   >> man's the man for a that. Anyone interested in the nobility know   
   >> where to find it. It doesn't need to be, and shouldn't be crossposted   
   >> to group where he already knows from previous experience, is   
   >> unwelcome and causes offence.   
   >   
   > How terrible. A person interested in the history of a demographic   
   > group bothers to remember which ones of those people died in the war.   
      
   And he's quite free to post it in the appropriate group where, no   
   doubt, it's welcome. But not here as both myself, and numerous other   
   regulars have commented.   
      
   > This does not imply that everyone else who died is an evil person who   
   > is not worthy of memory, and therefore complaining about it is   
   > disrespecting the sacrifice of all war dead.   
   >   
   > Just because you don't like people doesn't mean they magically stop   
   > being Scots, and their sacrifices stop being worthy of being   
   > remembered.   
      
   What on earth are you rambling on about??   
      
   > It's fucking 2015. Usenet Charters have been obsolete for more then a   
   > decade,   
      
   I'm sure that's your standard response but, the bottom line is your   
   opinion on the matter is irrelevant. The readers of the group make the   
   decisions and, whether or not they still cling to a Charter for guidance   
   is their choice to make, not yours to deny them.   
      
   >  which is probably why that it took you a half-dozen stupid,   
   > small-minded, and cruel posts to bother quoting one. You are a troll   
   > sir, of the worst kind.   
      
   I would suggest that the troll is your good self. The facts certainly   
   seem to suggest so. No posting record in scs. Suddenly you pop up   
   ranting about a complaint about Epstein's unwelcome post. And, classic   
   response, accusing others of being a troll. If it walks like a duck..   
      
   > Your insistence on ending all discussion on   
   > this list vaguely related to Scotland is the reason the only thing   
   > that goes on on this list is flame wars. You have set out to destroy   
   > that which you claim to be defending, and you have succeeded   
   > magnificently.   
      
      
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