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   Message 98,206 of 99,776   
   Nicholas Benjamin to soupdragon   
   Re: Remembering the Noble War Dead (1/2)   
   05 May 15 18:29:05   
   
   From: nicholasiii@gmail.com   
      
   On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 2:24:29 PM UTC-4, soupdragon wrote:   
   > Nicholas Benjamin  wrote in   
   > news:e5816cdd-1415-4638-8714-cf6dc72a222b@googlegroups.com:    
   >    
   > > On Thursday, April 30, 2015 at 7:59:11 PM UTC-4, soupdragon wrote:   
   > >> Nicholas Benjamin  wrote in   
   > >> news:16e1637f-7000-4e83-a528-61fc1afd3db6@googlegroups.com:    
   > >>    
   > >> > On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 at 8:00:38 PM UTC-4, Charles Ellson   
   > >> > wrote:    
   > >> >> On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 23:07:47 +0000 (UTC), Louis Epstein   
   > >> >>  wrote:   
   > >> >>    
   > >> >> >In alt.talk.royalty soupdragon  wrote:   
   > >> >> >> Louis Epstein  wrote in   
   > >> >> >> news:mhpn2l$3gf$1@reader1.panix.com:    
   > >> >> >>    
   > >> >> >>> In alt.talk.royalty soupdragon  wrote:   
   > >> >> >>>> Louis Epstein  wrote in news:mhc0ie$la2$1   
   > >> >> >>>> @reader1.panix.com:   
   > >> >> >>>>    
   > >> >> >>>>>>>> So why cross post it to scs, where their 'relevance' is   
   > >> >> >>>>>>>> no more than any other Scot killed in the wars? What, in   
   > >> >> >>>>>>>> particular, merits their 'adoration' by you over any   
   > >> >> >>>>>>>> other Scot who also die    
   > >> > d   
   > >> >> >>>>>>>> but you fail to salute?   
   > >> >> >>>>>>>    
   > >> >> >>>>>>> I post it to the soc.culture groups of the nationalities   
   > >> >> >>>>>>> of all the men listed.It represent the intersection of the   
   > >> >> >>>>>>> groups to which it is cross-posted.   
   > >> >> >>>>>>    
   > >> >> >>>>>> You didn't answer the question. Let me repeat it for you:   
   > >> >> >>>>>>    
   > >> >> >>>>>> What, in particular, merits their 'adoration' by you over   
   > >> >> >>>>>> any othe    
   > >> > r   
   > >> >> >>>>>> Scot who also died but you fail to salute?   
   > >> >> >>>>>>    
   > >> >> >>>>>    
   > >> >> >>>>> I did answer the question.They are the Scots relevant to   
   > >> >> >>>>> a.t.r, from which this is cross-posted.   
   > >> >> >>>>    
   > >> >> >>>> No you didn't. You answered an entirely different question. I   
   > >> >> >>>> didn't ask you why it was relevant to a.t.r. Try again.   
   > >> >> >>>    
   > >> >> >>> If they didn't represent the intersection of relevance to both   
   > >> >> >>> s.c.s and a.t.r I wouldn't be cross-posting to the two groups.   
   > >> >> >>    
   > >> >> >> Explain the relevance to s.c.s.   
   > >> >> >   
   > >> >> >Already done.   
   > >> >> >Do you have problems realizing that people relevant to a.t.r   
   > >> >> >can also be relevant to s.c.s?   
   > >> >> >   
   > >> >> Do you have a problem realising you're not welcome in s.c.s ?   
   > >> >    
   > >> > That's a remarkably dumb thing to say on a post that's crossposted   
   > >> > to groups where he is welcome.    
   > >>    
   > >> Given that he's the one who initiated the crosspost to a Scottish    
   > >> culture group and caused the offence in the first place (and   
   > >> repeatedly    
   > >     
   > >> does so each year despite requests for him to stop) perhaps you   
   > >> should direct your ire at Louis.   
   > >>    
   > >>    
   > >> > It's even dumber given the activity level on this list. Today there   
   > >> > have been posts on two issues: this, and one idiot going on about   
   > >> > how he won't do porn. Prior to that all activity has been   
   > >> > non-Scots-related commentary by the no-porn guy and a bunch of   
   > >> > stuff in Spanish that is apparently vaguely related to religion.   
   > >> > The last message that was on-topic prior to this thread was posted   
   > >> > on the 12th, and was a call for all the humans still on the list to   
   > >> > go to Facebook.    
   > >     
   > >>    
   > >> Firstly, this is not a list, it is a Usenet news group called    
   > >> soc.culture.scottish. Secondly activity level is irrelevant. Besides    
   > >> we like it quiet. Thirdly, you are not the one who decides what is    
   > >> on-topic for the group. The group does that through its charter, FAQ    
   > >> and custom and practice   
   > >>    
   > >> > Now if you wanted to use this as a springboard to talk about the   
   > >> > Nobility's role in modern Scotland, or criticize them, or even   
   > >> > demand a Scots-only-list,   
   > >>    
   > >> Nothing to do with a Scots-only group. This group is for those    
   > >> interested in Scottish culture, irrespective of nationality. Scotland   
   > >> has a long military history that is held in high esteem by its people   
   > >> including the sacrifice made by all who died in the wars. This guy    
   > >> doesn't even read the group yet insists on crossposting to it every   
   > >> Armastice Day a post that suggests the only Scots who died in war   
   > >> that matter and are worth saluting are a few of the priveledged class   
   > >> and the rest of the Scottish war dead don't even merit a mention.   
   > >> Which is extremely offensive to the vast majority of Scottish people.   
   > >>    
   > >> >Demanding the only guy on   
   > >> > this list whose actually talking about shit that is even vaguely   
   > >> > related to Scottish culture shut the fuck up, by cross-posting to   
   > >> > numerous groups where people who like are gonna read it, OTOH, is   
   > >> > dumber then paste.    
   > >>    
   > >> He's the one who initiated the crosspost. Take it up with him. But   
   > >> just to putting Scottish culture into context, Robert Burns is the   
   > >> national poet and to quote him - The rank is but a guinea stamp, the   
   > >> man's the man for a that. Anyone interested in the nobility know   
   > >> where to find it. It doesn't need to be, and shouldn't be crossposted   
   > >> to group where he already knows from previous experience, is   
   > >> unwelcome and causes offence.   
   > >    
   > > How terrible. A person interested in the history of a demographic   
   > > group bothers to remember which ones of those people died in the war.   
   >    
   > And he's quite free to post it in the appropriate group where, no   
   > doubt, it's welcome. But not here as both myself, and numerous other   
   > regulars have commented.   
      
   Dude,   
      
   The regulars here are a dude who posts in Spanish, a couple of crazies, and   
   one guy who posted proposing Princess Charlotte be named Nicola.   
      
   > > This does not imply that everyone else who died is an evil person who   
   > > is not worthy of memory, and therefore complaining about it is   
   > > disrespecting the sacrifice of all war dead.    
   > >    
   > > Just because you don't like people doesn't mean they magically stop   
   > > being Scots, and their sacrifices stop being worthy of being   
   > > remembered.    
   >    
   > What on earth are you rambling on about??   
      
   Same thing you're rambling on about.   
      
   More then once you've accused Lewis of "adoring" the nobility, and degrading   
   everyone else's sacrifice.   
      
      
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