From: hayesstw@telkomsa.net   
      
   On Thu, 3 May 2018 12:05:49 -0700 (PDT), Martin Beavis   
    wrote:   
      
   >On Thursday, 3 May 2018 06:29:51 UTC+1, Steve Hayes  wrote:   
   >> I've veen battling with one of the most intractable genealogixal   
   >> problems I've come across for a long time.   
   >>   
   >Having looked at the 1841 & 1851 census images there are no   
   >mistranscriptions, at least not on Ancestry.  In 1861 & 1871 the   
   >unmarried sisters Sarah SIMS (36 & 47)  and Mary SIMS (30 & 40) are   
   >still living at West End, as they were in 1841 & 1851.  In 1881 Mary   
   >47 is visiting her niece Lydia MITCHELL who is probably the niece   
   >Lydia MART from 1861 and 1871.  In 1891 Mary is 60 and the Aunt of   
   >Lydia PUGH in a household with MITCHELL stepchildren.  Apart from 47   
   >in 1881, that is consistent (+/-1) with Mary's birth between April   
   >1829 and March 1830 and her ages of 10 in mid-1841 (which may have   
   >been erroneously rounded down) and 22 in April 1851.   
      
   Thanks very much for that -- I've been looking for Lydia MART before   
   1871 to try to find who her parents were, but with no success.   
      
   >FamilySearch has Derbyshire, Church of England Parish Registers for   
   >Mary Sims, Birth Date 26 Feb 1826, Christening 3 Dec 1826, Wirksworth,   
   >Derbyshire, Father Samuel Sims, Mother Elizabeth Sims.  [Derbyshire,   
   >Church of England Parish Registers & England Births and Christenings].   
   >The images are only available at an FHS, not free online.   
   >   
   >That discrepancy might suggest  the death of the Mary born 1826 prior   
   >to the birth of the Mary in the censuses.  There are two such deaths   
   >in 1826/7 but in Chesterfield and apparently naming non-Samuel   
   >fathers.  It makes no sense that Mary's parents knocked 3 or 4 years   
   >off her census ages.   
      
   Aye, I thought of that, but could find no record of relevant burials   
   or of later bastisms. The ages of all the kids in the censuses I   
   thought were relevant seem to have had some years knocked off -- there   
   were a Robert, Lydia and Ann all baptised on the same day in 1823, and   
   I don't think they were triplets, but the census ages imply they were   
   younger.   
      
   >Ancestry has the 1826 Mary in a Sims family tree but gives no further   
   >details of Mary except for the 1841-1871 censuses.  That tree has   
   >Samuel 1781-1829 and Elizabeth 1790-1855, with children born between   
   >1814 and 1830, the last one after his father's death, none of which   
   >have I attempted to check or verify.   
      
   Thanks for that too -- that looks like the family I'm interested in,   
   and the other info seems to fit.   
      
   >Ancestry has [Derbyshire, England, Church of England Burials]  Samuel   
   >Sims,  Age 47,  Birth Year 1782, Burial Date 9 Dec 1829, Wirksworth,   
   >Derbyshire, which differs from the 1788-1838 in your query.   
      
   That figures, and I'll use that date rather. The 1838 death was in an   
   unlikely place, and Wirksworth sounds much more likely, since the   
   family seems t have been living there from about 1825 on.   
      
   >Just in case your SIMS family may have become nonconformist shortly   
   >before 1830, see also   
   >http://belper-research.com/summaries/baptism-index.html and related   
   >pages.   
   >   
   >Perhaps half the problem is you yourself Steve, for being far more   
   >numerate than your original data providers!   
      
    Quite possibly, though I do sometimes catch myself thinking   
   that 1991 was about 10 years ago.   
      
      
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