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   john to sascar70@gmail.com   
   Re: Change of surname - is there a resou   
   21 Aug 18 11:21:46   
   
   From: john1@s145802280.onlinehome.fr   
      
   On 20/08/2018 05:53, sascar70@gmail.com wrote:   
   > Hi all,   
   >   
   > One of my ancestors changed his surname and married the woman who gave birth   
   to his daughter. This daughter took the new surname of her father even though   
   she was registered under his former name.   
   >   
   > My cousin and I have been chasing this fellow for about 12 years until just   
   recently when she put in the wife's surname in Birmingham and found the   
   marriage.   
   >   
   > We are in the process of purchasing the marriage certificate but was   
   wondering if there was a source we could look at.   
   >   
   > My ancestor was Alfred Frederick Esse (b 1868)who had a child with Annie   
   Agnes Gough in 1890 but did not marry then.  He married an Ethel Cannon (b   
   1875) and had two children with her in 1899 and 1900 then he promptly fell off   
   the face of the earth    
   until recently found with a new name.   
   >   
   > Alfred also lied about his age by -10 years at the time of his marriage to   
   Annie.   
   >   
   > Any advice or information will be greatly appreciated.   
   >   
   > Thanks and regards,   
   > Di   
   >   
      
   I do not understand your query or whether you are looking at the correct   
   people?   
      
   What was   
   a) the name of the woman who gave birth to his daughter the changes in   
   surname   
   b)the new surname of the daughter who took the surname of her father   
   even though she was registered under his former name?   
      
   There is no FreeBMD marriage record for an Annie Agnes Gough to an   
   Alfred Frederick so where did you get: Alfred also lied about his age by   
   -10 years at the time of his marriage to Annie   
   FreeBMD has an Annie Agnes Gough marrying either a Carter or a Pilgrim   
   Marriages Dec 1893   
   Carter John St. Saviour 1d 75   
   Gough Annie Agnes St. Saviour 1d 75   
   Pilgrim Charles St. Saviour 1d 75   
   and another Annie Agnes Gough marrying a Blundell or Pledge   
   Marriages Dec 1895   
   Blundell Richard George Birmingham 6d 78   
   Gough Annie Agnes Birmingham 6d 78   
   Pledge William Daniel Birmingham 6d 78   
      
   FreeBMD has the following:   
      
   Births Jun 1868 ESSE Alfred Brentford 3a 75   
      
   Marriages Mar 1898   
   CANNON Ethel Brentford 3a 136a   
   Esse Alfred Brentford 3a 136a   
      
   Births Jun 1899 Esse John Alfred Brentford 3a 103   
   Deaths Jun 1899 Esse John Alfred 0 Brentford 3a 65   
      
   Births Sep 1900 ESSE Christine M H Brentford 3a 100   
      
   Births Jun 1903 ESSE Madeleine Alice Brentford 3a 133   
      
   familysearch.org has   
   England and Wales Census, 1901   
   Name	Ethel A Esse   
   Event Type	Census   
   Event Date	31 Mar 1901   
   Event Place	Ealing, Middlesex, England   
   County	Middlesex   
   Civil Parish	Ealing   
   Ecclesiastical Parish	St John'S   
   Sub-District	Brentford   
   Registration District	Brentford   
   Residence Note	Broughton Road   
   Gender	Female   
   Age	26   
   Relationship to Head of Household	Daughter   
   Birth Year (Estimated)	1875   
   Birthplace	Ealing, Middlesex   
   Schedule Type	108   
   Page Number	15   
      
   George Cannon	Head	M	58	Fulham, London   
   Louisa Cannon	Wife	F	54	Pimlico, London   
   Louisa M Cannon	Daughter	F	32	Ealing, Middlesex   
   Ethel A Esse	Daughter	F	26	Ealing, Middlesex   
   Christine M H Esse	Grand Daughter	F	0	Ealing, Middlesex   
      
   and   
   England and Wales Census, 1911   
   Name:	Ethel Augusta Esse   
   Event Type:	Census   
   Event Date:	1911   
   Event Place:	Ealing, West Ealing, Middlesex, England   
   County:	Middlesex   
   Parish:	Ealing   
   Sub-District:	Brentford   
   Registration District:	Brentford   
   Gender:	Female   
   Age:	35   
   Marital Status (Original):	MARRIED   
   Occupation:	FLORIST   
   Birth Year (Estimated):	1876   
   Birthplace:	Ealing   
   Relationship to Head of Household:	Daughter   
   Line:	4   
   Page:	1   
   Household	Role	Sex	Age	Birthplace   
   George Cannon	Head	Male	68	Fulham, London   
   Louisa Cannon	Wife	Female	64	Westminster, London   
   Louisa Mary Cannon	Daughter	Female	42	Ealing   
   Ethel Augusta Esse	Daughter	Female	35	Ealing   
   Christine Margaret Hathaway Esse	Grandchild	Female	10	Ealing   
      
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