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   J. P. Gilliver (John) to All   
   Re: [OT] Sr., Jr., III, IV ...   
   16 Aug 20 14:49:16   
   
   From: G6JPG@255soft.uk   
      
   On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 at 15:32:15, Ian Goddard    
   wrote:   
   >On 15/08/2020 11:15, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:   
   >> in Britain suffixes like Jr. are far less common than in the USA   
   >   
   >It depends where you're looking.  I've come across them, especially in   
   >manorial records.  What's not necessarily clear is whether you're   
   >looking at a parental relationship, a wider family relationship such as   
   >cousins, two people of more remote, if any, kinship who just happen to   
   >have the same name or, in really pathological situations, siblings.  I   
   >started off assuming the first but now I'm more wary.   
      
   Yes, I've occasionally found it, but often in contexts where, as you   
   say, it's just that two people in the area have the same name (though of   
   course that often _is_ father and son); also, it's rarely clear whether   
   the person adding the suffix is even a member of the family, or just   
   someone adding it - possibly using it as the Latin comparative ("[the]   
   older" or "[the] younger") only.   
      
   Though less common than it once was, I get the impression that the USA   
   custom _is_ normally family-applied - even to the extent that the son is   
   sometimes referred to (and addressed) as Junior rather than his actual   
   name. (Seems to be only sons - I've not come across it for daughters,   
   though I daresay it occurs.) I've not encountered it, except in families   
   with US connections, in Britain - though I guess it probably does occur.   
   --   
   J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf   
      
   ... unlike other legal systems the common law is permissive. We can do what we   
   like, unless it is specifically prohibited by law. We  are not as rule-bound   
   and codified as other legal systems. - Helena Kennedy QC (Radio Times 14-20   
   July 2012).   
      
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