From: acornish@imm.cnrs.fr   
      
   On 2020-10-23 14:54:59 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) said:   
      
   > On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 at 12:33:31, Jenny M Benson    
   wrote:   
   >> On 23/10/2020 12:03, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:   
   > []   
   >>> However, the one I think are my ancestors says (under Mensis Augusti   
   >>> [month of August]):   
   >>> Johannes filius Johannis Mason Alieni <>____________________________3º.   
   > []   
   >>> I am pretty sure "Alieni" just means "of elsewhere" - but why? Most   
   > []   
   >>> Greave, Hinderton,  Tranmore, and Holt Hill. Sure, one might guess the   
   >>> clerk didn't know,  but hang on: if you're having a baby son baptised   
   >>> (especially one named  after you, so quite likely the first one), it's   
   >>> not like just having  your passport stamped - it takes a while; surely   
   >>> someone would have  asked? (Would they even _do_ a baptism for a   
   >>> stranger?)   
   >>   
   >> Can't imagine a Priest refusing to baptise a child.   
   >   
   > (There was a storyline in "The Indian Doctor" - set in the 1960s in a   
   > Welsh mining village - where he refused until the father married the   
   > mother. I thought it not too creditable at the time; it was part of a   
   > storyline where the vicar was a baddie for a different reason. But I   
   > could just about believe such a refusal if there was doubt whether the   
   > father was being honest about some important detail.)   
      
   Well, the local priest in Chile wasn't keen on baptising our daughter   
   because we were only going to be in Chile for another three weeks and   
   that wouldn't enough time to participate in six weekly get-togethers   
   with the other parents. However, he was won over when my wife,   
   nominally Roman Catholic, said that she was anxious for her to be   
   baptised in the Roman Catholic church (with emphasis on the "Roman   
   Catholic"). The priest, knowing that we lived in England and that I was   
   not Roman Catholic, had visions of the poor child being subjected to   
   some pagan ritual, decided that maybe it was not essential for us to   
   attend six weekly get-togethers.   
      
   (It was exactly the other way round with the British consulate, who   
   issued a passport in record time when they knew that our daughter had   
   come to Chile on a nasty foreign passport.)   
   >>   
   >> One of my ancestors was described in a Baptismal record, as "a poor   
   >> travelling man" so maybe John Mason was of no fixed abode and didn't   
   >> know himself where he was actually "from."   
   >>   
   > It's certainly possible JM was of no fixed abode, but then I'd have   
   > expected something like your example; "Alieni" suggests something   
   > definite.   
   >   
   > Anyone else come across it, and if so what were the circumstances?   
      
      
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