From: john1@s145802280.onlinehome.fr   
      
   On 11/11/2020 21:36, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:   
   > He's a friend's ancestor.   
   >    
   > We have marriage certificate 2016-10-11 in Gateshead register office,   
   > between Joseph McDonald 28 and Mary Flanigan (yes, spelt like that) 22.   
   > (Yes, I know ages are often wrong on MCs, though I can't think of a   
   > reason he/they should _deliberately_ lie about either. She was already   
   > pregnant.) The MC is of course a copy of an entry in the register book   
   > of marriages, but is actually made on the date of the marriage, by the   
   > Gateshead registrar, i. e. locally.   
   >    
   > It says about Joseph:   
   > Bachelor;   
   > Private Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry (Machineman Engineering   
   > Works);   
   > residence: Gosforth Park;   
   > father: John James McDonald, Labourer in Engineering Works.   
   >    
   > (Mary was living in Gateshead. For those that don't know the area - it's   
   > Newcastle upon Tyne: Gateshead is on the south side of the river,   
   > Newcastle on the north, and Gosforth [then, anyway] a little north of   
   > Newcastle; Gosforth Park is where the racecourse is. The river was the   
   > county boundary - county Durham was south of the river [i. e. Gateshead   
   > was in it], Northumberland north [Newcastle and Gosforth]. [It's all   
   > "Tyne and Wear" now, since about 1971.])   
   >    
   > I haven't been able to find his birth (or parents) with any   
   > definiteness: ideas welcome!   
   >    
   > His military records: The MC is the only mention of the KOYLI, but   
   > apparently there is a KOYLI stamp on the back (maybe he was given a   
   > day's leave to get married and that's their way of accepting it as proof   
   > that he did when he got back to barracks?). The MC - see above - does   
   > _not_ give his serial number.   
   >    
   > We have a BC, 1918-8-28 in Gateshead, for a boy James, father Joseph   
   > McDonald, mother Mary McDonald formerly Flanigan; with that combination   
   > of names, especially the unusual spelling of Flanigan, and the place,   
   > I'm pretty sure it's the same couple. But the father's occupation is   
   > given as "No 10644 Rifleman Royal Irish Rifles (Stone Mason)".   
   > Unusually, the birth was registered on the day of the birth (though by   
   > someone "present at the Birth", not either parent).   
   >    
   > We have a medal card and roll entry for the usual Victory and British   
   > medals. The card says   
   >    
   > MACDONALD       R. Ir. Rif      Pte     10644   
   > Joseph.         Wilts R                 27805   
   >    
   > and the roll says   
   >    
   > 27805   Pte     MACDONALD       1st R.Ir.Rif.           Class Z. 29.5.19   
   >                  Joseph          10644 Pte   
   >                                  6th Wilts R. 27805   
   >    
   > (I know class Z was those who could be recalled at short notice if   
   > Germany did not accept the surrender terms.)   
   >    
   >    
   > So it looks as if he was in _three_ regiments: KOYLI, R.Ir.Rif, and   
   > Wiltshire Regiment (Duke of Edinburgh´s), with the first serial number   
   > (10644) being used for two of them. And also perhaps recalled to a   
   > reserved occupation - though rather different ones!   
   >    
   > I know various regiments were amalgamated into/absorbed by others, when   
   > military action sadly reduced their numbers below viability. Was he just   
   > unfortunate to have this happen twice (or, if in reserved work at home,   
   > the regiments he was _nominally_ part of unfortunate in that way), or is   
   > something else going on? (I can't find the oodles of pages of military   
   > odds and ends I've found for some other soldiers; I presume his is one   
   > of the "burnt records".)   
   >    
   > And what's with the varying occupation - from same (-ish) as his dad, to   
   > Stone Mason (which I'd have _thought_ takes more than two years)?   
   >    
      
   There are public trees on Ancestry for Joseph Martin McDonald McDonough    
   McDonnell Macdonald, b 4 Dec 1886, Derby, Derbyshire, England. His    
   marriage and his children agree with your research   
   Father John James McDonald McDonnell McDonough (b 1856 Mayo, Ireland d    
   1922 Derby)   
   Mother Mary O'Malley (b 1860 Mayo d 1904 Derby)   
   but I'm not sure any of the links to the identified parents is correct.   
      
   There are no census entries for the parents after 1901. In 1901 his    
   father is a "hostler"  at a stables in Derby and there is a son Joseph    
   RG13 P3217 f181 p30   
      
   It looks as though it is all joined by the 1911 England Census Class:    
   RG14; Piece: 20883 where there is a Joseph McDonald, fitters labourer    
   living in a Lodging House 47 Bridge Gate, Derby, born in Derby   
      
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