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   cecilia to G6JPG@255soft.uk   
   Re: bapt. replaced with borne?!?   
   16 Jan 21 10:01:28   
   
   From: myths@ic24.net   
      
   On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 01:47:39 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"   
    wrote:   
      
   >I'm looking at a parish register for Audley, Staffordshire, England.   
   >Archive reference       D3483/1/1 - page 113 I think; anyway, it covers   
   >burials from 1645 to 1653 on the two pages (small village!), then some   
   >births/baptisms 1653 to 1669.   
   >   
   >The bit I'm looking at is about half way down the right-hand page.   
   >   
   >I think it says   
   >   
   >John Sonn of Thomas Henshall Borne the 13: of November   
   >16?3: Raphe Sonn of Thomas Henshall   
   >        Bopne the 22:of June 1654   
   >        Tho: Sonn of Thomas Henshall Boxnt the.8   
   >        of July: 1658:   
   >   
   >below that are three burials (sepulta/us erat), then two entries that   
   >definitely have the word Baptised (or paptised) [in English].   
   >   
   >What's surprising me is that (a) it's unusual for births rather than   
   >baptisms to be recorded in such a register - sometimes birth dates as   
   >well as baptisms, which is always nice to find, but I've never seen   
   >_just_ births before - and (b) there's a fuzzy patch over the three   
   >"Borne" words in the "John ..." paragraph, as if something has been   
   >rubbed out and Borne inserted - in particular, the middle one looks like   
   >it has "ap" where "or" should be.   
   >   
   >(I can't tell for sure - I think it's a scan of a microfilm of ...)   
   >   
   >Any thoughts? [Sorry, can't post the image - I'll have got it from one   
   >of the two main providers, and they're fussy about release of their   
   >material. But a search for John Henshall baptised in Staffordshire in   
   >165x should find it. (I think he's my 9th great grandfather.)]   
   >   
   >Seems odd to have three births - or baptisms - from the same father,   
   >from three different years, listed in the same paragraph. My _guess_ is   
   >that he asked a clerk to make the entry, and subsequently someone   
   >changed the three words (possibly soon after, possibly years later). But   
   >that's only a guess.   
      
      
   1650s are Commonwealth era - baptismal records often not found   
      
   E.g.:   
   Parish of Astbury, Cheshire:   
      1645 - not many   
      1646 - a few   
      1647 - none   
      1648 - one   
   after which, the next page of entries appears to be 1661 (because the   
   year after is 1662).   
      
   One of my ancestors had two children in the late 1650s and died in the   
   early 1660s.  At some point, full details of the births were written   
   into the end of the baptismal register, complete with time of the   
   birth as well as the date, at the end of the volume.  It may be that   
   it was done  to provide an official record of the boy's birth since he   
   was to inherit the family business and house when he was 16.   
      
    My recollection is that the entries were on the last half page of the   
   parish register ( regular entries stopping at the end of 1668 - Lady   
   Day) if you have access to scans and want to look.  My notes indicate   
   that the entries were   
      
       July ye vjth Anno Domi 1657   
   Mary the daughter of John Vardon of Congle   
   =ton, was born between 9: & 10: of the Clocke in   
   the morning of the same day   
          Aprill the xixth Anno Domi 1659:   
   John the sonne of John Vardon of Congle   
   =ton, above said, and Mary his wife, was born   
   between 5: and 6: of ye clocke in ye morning.   
      
   The family bible entries (which may have been the source) were the   
   same, but with "second son" rather than "son". (The first son was born   
   and died as a toddler before the Commonwealth.)   
      
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