From: G6JPG@255soft.uk   
      
   On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 at 21:40:22, Charles Ellson   
    wrote (my responses usually follow points   
   raised):   
   >On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 13:39:52 +0100, john   
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >>On 03/12/2021 11:38, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:   
   >>> If someone was killed in action (primarily during the WWs, though   
   >>> presumably other conflicts too), would I find their death in   
   >>> FreeBMD/ONS, recorded under where they normally lived?   
   >>>   
   >>> Or, to put it another way, if I _do_ find such an entry, do I assume   
   >>> s/he was _not_ killed in action (though it could be due to a bomb)?   
   []   
   >If they died abroad (i.e. furth of the UK) then they would not be   
   >registered "as usual" as their death would not have been within a   
   >relevant jurisdiction. If the death was notified to a relevant body   
   >(such as the service they were in or a consulate/embassy) then it   
   >should be recorded in one of the sets of registers in which foreign,   
   >military and other miscellaneous deaths were recorded. A few   
      
   That's more or less what I was wondering: leaving out the special cases   
   of where someone was brought home injured, or their body was repatriated   
   - I was thinking mostly of those killed and buried (or worse) abroad.   
      
   So their death would be recorded _only_ in some register; presumably   
   these registers were much bigger during a war.   
      
   And conversely, if someone is recorded in a normal (FreeBMD/GRO) area,   
   it means on the whole they _didn't_ die abroad (including in action).   
   []   
   >Death can be presumed without the standard 7 year wait if there was an   
   >event in which it would be unreasonable not to argue against it, e.g.   
   >"X boarded HMS Whatever which was subsequently seen/known to have sunk   
   >with no known survivors". In a few odd cases that has resulted in   
   >people "coming back from the dead" due to e.g. erroneous crew lists,   
   >being rescued by the other side etc.   
      
   Interesting!   
      
   If the standard 7 year wait _is_ invoked - presumably meaning just a   
   missing person really, especially _not_ in wartime - where is the   
   "death" recorded?   
   >   
   >> From a brief search, you might find something useful in   
   []   
   Thanks - useful list tagged as keep, for reference.   
      
   FWIW: this arose because a friend had said something like he thought his   
   dad's dad died in WW1, and I was wondering how to check that - if I   
   found him in a normal FreeBMD/GRO hit, presumably he _wasn't_ (I   
   didn't), and I didn't have a good list of where to look for military   
   deaths. I subsequently decided he didn't die during WW1 anyway, as my   
   friend's dad was born 1920/7/7! (I did find a possible death for his   
   granddad in 194x, so during WW2, though presumably as I found that in   
   FreeBMD/GRO, not in action.)   
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