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|    stalin to All    |
|    Overpaid Boeing union members are angry     |
|    23 Sep 24 11:47:22    |
      XPost: alt.society.labor-unions, talk.politics.guns, sac.politics       XPost: or.politics       From: stalin@boeing.ru              New York       CNN        —       One of the most painful issues dividing labor and management in the       strike at Boeing is the loss of the traditional pension plan for union       members in 2014.              The dispute has echoes of past labor disputes at Boeing, and at other       companies, where workers have lost what used to be a key part of their       retirement security. Employers have made, and won, demands to shift the       risks associated with their workers’ retirements from their own bottom       lines, to the retirees themselves.              Now unions are pushing back, demanding the return of traditional pension       plans their members lost in past concession deals. That’s one of the       reasons 33,000 members of the International Association of Machinists       went on strike Friday after 95% voted against the tentative labor deal       that would have increased the money Boeing paid into their 401(k) but       would not have restored the traditional pension plan they lost 10 years       ago. Restoring pension plans was an initially stated goal of the IAM,       but they were not in the deal reached and rejected last week.              Jon Holden, the president of the largest union local at Boeing, said       right after the vote to go on strike Thursday night that it wasn’t any       one issue, but that “I know that many members haven’t healed from that       wound” of losing the pension plans.              But the fact is that the traditional pension plans, once a staple of the       retirement of many workers, have become exceedingly rare in the modern       American workplace. And once a company drops traditional pensions plans       to shift employees to a 401(k) type of retirement account, they are       almost always gone for good.              While other unions have also sought to have lost pension plans restored,       as the United Auto Workers union did during its successful strike at       General Motors, Ford and Stellantis last fall, no American union has       ever succeeded in bringing them back. Even though the auto strike       produced a deal with record pay raises and other gains for the UAW, it       did not restore pension plans to workers hired since 2007.              Employers frequently argue that employees and retirees can be better off       with a 401(k) type of retirement plan, especially if their investments       do well. During the UAW strike at the three unionized American       automakers last fall, Ford CFO John Lawler called the traditional       pension plans being sought by the union “a plan of the past.”              Pension plans vs 401(k)’s       The types of retirement plan available for American workers basically       fall into two categories. First, a traditional pension plan that pays       retirees, or their survivors, a fixed amount of money every month until       they die, known as a defined benefit plan. The other is an individual       retirement account, such as a 401(k) plan, in which the employer makes       contributions, typically matching a portion of a worker’s own pre-tax       contributions to the accounts. Those are known as defined contribution       plans. In that case, retirees can decide about the amount withdrawn from       the account, as frequently as they want — at least until they run out of       assets.              Defined benefit plans are only available to about 8% of workers at US       businesses today, according to data from the Employee Benefit Research       Institute, down from 39% in 1980. The decline has greatly mirrored the       decline in union membership at businesses, from about 17% in 1983 to 6%       in 2023.              Meanwhile, individual retirement accounts such as 401(k) plans have       risen from only 19% of business employees to 50% today. In fact almost       all private sector workers covered under traditional pension plans also       have access to some kind of defined contribution plan as well. Far less       than 1% have only a traditional pension plan.              One of the few remaining sectors of the economy where pensions dominate       is government work. Traditional pension plans are still available for       about 80% of public sector workers who work at some level of government,       said Craig Copeland, director of wealth benefits research at EBRI. But       even in those cases, the pension benefits aren’t as good as they used to       be, he said.              Rank-and-file union membership at Boeing only narrowly approved new       contract terms in 2014 that took away pensions for anyone hired after       the contract ratification and froze benefits that members had already       accrued in the plan.              They did so because Boeing had threatened to build its next jet, the       777X, at an out-of-state nonunion plant it said it was considering, if       the deal was not passed. The members voted 2-to-1 to reject a similar       offer the previous fall, then approved the offer in a second vote by       with only 51% voting in favor.              Boeing soon moved to end traditional pensions for its nonunion workers       as well.              The loss of that pension plan 10 years ago is a major reason       rank-and-file members at Boeing nearly unanimously rejected the       tentative agreement put on the table this time, even with the company       offering to increase its contributions to the 401(k) plans by up to       $10,800 a year.              “The company absolutely needs to address the issue of retirement       security. The offer on the table didn’t go anywhere near what our       members expect and demand,” said Brian Bryant, the international       president of the IAM, in an interview Wednesday with CNN.              Bryant stopped short of saying that only a return of the traditional       defined benefit pension plan would satisfy members though, although he       added, “They’re definitely going to have to show something of the same       value to workers as the defined benefit plans.”              Why traditional pensions are now so rare       Employers prefer 401(k) types of retirement plans, rather than the       traditional pensions because it shifts the risks from the company to the       workers. Under those pension plans the company agrees to make       contributions into the plans, and those contributions are used to buy       assets such as stocks and bonds. The contributions and the return on       those assets are used to pay the benefits that are promised to the       retirees. If returns are good, a company might not need to make       additional contributions. But if plan assets lose value, the employer       needs to come up with the additional contribution to pay the promised       pension benefit.              But in plans such as a 401(k), those contributions, and the pay-outs,       and the risk of the market, are entirely on the individual. If the value       of retirement savings and investments in a 401(k) fall in value, the       worker is the one who loses out, even if they’ve made steady       contributions throughout their working life. Also, a retiree can outlive       their assets in a defined contribution retirement account, whereas under       a defined benefit plan, the plan has an obligation to pay only as long              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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