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   > > > > > > On 20 Oct 2003 08:23:04 -0700, BarbaralovesMarty@excite.com   
   (Barbara   
   > > > > > > Schwarz) wrote:   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > >Gee, give me a break! In hate school do you teach, Magi? Why   
   should   
   > > > > > > >hate be allowed?   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Because you cannot have freedom if you don't allow speech you   
   > >  dislike.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > First they came for the Jews   
   > > > > > > and I did not speak out   
   > > > > > > because I was not a Jew.   
   > > > > > > Then they came for the Communists   
   > > > > > > and I did not speak out   
   > > > > > > because I was not a Communist.   
   > > > > > > Then they came for the trade unionists   
   > > > > > > and I did not speak out   
   > > > > > > because I was not a trade unionist.   
   > > > > > > Then they came for me   
   > > > > > > and there was no one left   
   > > > > > > to speak out for me.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Pastor Martin Niemöller   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > How can you use that speech for promoting that it is fine to   
   persecute   
   > > > > > a religion? You got it so wrong. Touretzky is attacking   
   Scientology   
   > > > > > because it is a religion.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Since $cientology is not a religion, your comment is inapplicable.   
   > > >   
   > > > This is what the Nazis said about the religion of the Jews.   
   > >   
   > > You are woefully misinformed. The Nazis prejudice was not religiousk,   
   but   
   > > racial. They did not consider Jews to be part of the human race. They   
   > > considered Jews to be inherently inferior.   
   >   
   > That is what the Germans think about the Scientologists today. You did   
   > not live there as Scientologist, but I did. I had to flee Germany   
   > because of their insane persecution and their attempt to "deprogram"   
   > me from my religion. They attacked the Jews not only because of their   
   > race, but also of their religion.   
      
   I have carefully studied the era, and spent time in Germany when I was   
   weorking for Uncle. The Nazi persecution was based on race hatred, and the   
   populaces acceptance of that was based on Christian teachings. However,   
   religion was not the motivating force in the race hatred.   
      
   > Moreover, why do you think that the persecution by the Germans of SCN   
   > is not based upon that SCN is an American religion? I heard so much   
   > Anti-American hatred by Germans about the USA during the times I lived   
   > there.   
      
   You are but another unverifiable source, as I expect you will use when out   
   of toher unverifiable sources.   
      
   I spent some time there, and did not encounter anti-Americanism. Their   
   dislike of the Kriminal Kult of $cientology is based on their valid   
   recognition that it is nothing more than a racketeering influenced corrupt   
   organization which uses brainwashing, mind control and other dubious means   
   to control its members. What is tragic is that its members have to be   
   deprogrammed.   
      
   > > I consider most $cientologists to be dupes and pawns. I consider the   
   leaders   
   > > to be criminal.   
   >   
   > Many people that buy German originated hatred against SCN have your   
   > opinions.   
      
   It is NOT hatred, as you cliam, but, recognition of the evil empire.   
      
   > But you should know that a German secret service sent people   
   > in the orgs to detroy the religion and with order to make a cult out   
   > of it. Their agents try to get on top leadership positions within SCN.   
   > There is even litigation in Germany to get those people out.   
      
   Pure paranoia.   
      
   > >   
   > > And, since you brought it up with your mention of "Nazi" I onvoke   
   Godwin.   
   > >   
   > > > > > Some German Scientologists   
   > > > >   
   > > > > That is not a reliable source, since they are $cientologists and   
   trained   
   > >  to   
   > > > > lie.   
   > > >   
   > > > I never studied anything in SCN that told me to lie. All the opposite.   
   > > > Check out the definition of "truth" in the SCN technical dictionary.   
   > >   
   > > Your education is woefully inadequate.   
      
   > My education about SCN is woefully inadequate? I was the President of   
   > the Church of Scientology in Germany, my friend.   
      
   1. I am not your friend.   
   2. Previously, you claimed to be a private $ceintologist, and now you claim   
   to be one of the hierarchy. Were you lying then, or are you lying now?   
      
   > And why did you not   
   > look up the definition of truth in the SCN technical dictionary? It   
   > really tells you what truth is and that you certainly are not   
   > truthful.   
      
   I do not believe *anything* they say. And, I use a real dictionary.   
      
   > >   
   > > > > digged out of the Bavarian State library   
   > > > > > remarks that the Nazis made about the Jews in the 30s and early   
   40s.   
   > > > > > They were identically with remarks that the persecutors of   
   Scientology   
   > > > > > make today. It is as if they just had exchanged the world "Jews"   
   with   
   > > > > > "Scientology" and reissued the whole propaganda.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > I should point out that you lose, as you have violated Godwin.   
   > Lol. What law did I exactly violate? As you did not define it, my   
   > guess is you don't know it yourself.   
      
   Godwin's Law is well established in usenet. Look it up.   
      
   > > > I speak German. I have read those statements myself. Learn German,   
   > > > travel to Bavaria, read the original Nazi statements against the Jews   
   > > > and compare them to what they say about Scientologists. Most of the   
   > > > statements are shockingly identical.   
   > > >   
   > > > You made no research hereto at all. You just a heckler who covers up   
   > > > what is behind the attacks on SCN.   
   > >   
   > > Babs, you do not have a clue. You should learn about Godwin's Law.   
   >   
   > What exactly do you mean? You can't be anymore unspecific, can't you?   
      
   Look it up. Do some research. Just go to Google, type in "Godwin's Law" and   
   see what it gives you.   
      
   > > And, when i asked you for facts and references, you posted dead links,   
   or   
   > > links to articles that were irrelevant. Thus, it is YOU who is the   
   heckler.   
   >   
   > I responded to that already. For a guy who told others to ignore me,   
   > who sure reply often to what I posted.   
      
   I told no one to ignore you. If you do not like my responses, do not respond   
   to me.   
      
   > However, if you just repeat   
      
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