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   XPost: soc.rights.human   
   From: markprobert18@lumbercartel.com   
      
   "Barbara Schwarz"  wrote in message   
   news:4c418fa.0310270928.23a683dc@posting.google.com...   
   > "Markasurusi Probertasaurusi"  wrote in   
   message news:...   
      
   Some snipping...   
      
   > > > That is what the Germans think about the Scientologists today. You did   
   > > > not live there as Scientologist, but I did. I had to flee Germany   
   > > > because of their insane persecution and their attempt to "deprogram"   
   > > > me from my religion. They attacked the Jews not only because of their   
   > > > race, but also of their religion.   
   > >   
   > > I have carefully studied the era, and spent time in Germany when I was   
   > > weorking for Uncle. The Nazi persecution was based on race hatred, and   
   the   
   > > populaces acceptance of that was based on Christian teachings. However,   
   > > religion was not the motivating force in the race hatred.   
   >   
   > Oh, man. This is just too much. You, a guy who spent a vacation in   
   > Germany want to tell me who was forced to grow up there about Germany!   
      
   Did I say that I vacationed there? No. Did I say that I worked there for   
   Uncle? Yes.   
      
   Try working on your reading comprehension.   
      
   > Give me a break!   
   > You don't even speak German!   
      
   How do you know that? I am not saying I do, but I am not denying that I   
   can.IOW, you have no basis to make such a statement.   
      
   Learn the language and then read through   
   > the archives before you make a fool out of yourself. The religion of   
   > the Jews was as much a target as their race! However, SCN is the same   
   > target by the Germans, they attack the religion and that the religion   
   > comes from America, which they also discriminate against.   
      
   WRT the nazi's, they made it about race. Religion was merely incidental, as   
   they considered Christians who were born to even one Jewish parent to be a   
   member of the Jewish Race. IOW, you do not know what you are yakking about.   
   Study the era a bit more.   
      
   > > > Moreover, why do you think that the persecution by the Germans of SCN   
   > > > is not based upon that SCN is an American religion? I heard so much   
   > > > Anti-American hatred by Germans about the USA during the times I lived   
   > > > there.   
   > >   
   > > You are but another unverifiable source, as I expect you will use when   
   out   
   > > of toher unverifiable sources.   
   >   
   > You are just a heckler, M. Probert, discussing something with you is a   
   > waste of time because you don't bring anything intelligent or truthful   
   > to the table.   
      
   It is so easy to dismess someone by doing what you just did. If you cannot   
   stand the heat, do what Harry Truman said.   
      
   > > I spent some time there, and did not encounter anti-Americanism.   
   >   
   > In Germany? You did not encounter anti-Americanism? You then were so   
   > briefly there, probably just at the airport and never lived there or   
   > you are lying. You post as if you were bought by the German secret   
   > service and work for them against the USA.   
      
   Again, another easy dismissal. No facts, just dismissal.   
      
   >  Their   
   > > dislike of the Kriminal Kult of $cientology is based on their valid   
   > > recognition that it is nothing more than a racketeering influenced   
   corrupt   
   > > organization which uses brainwashing, mind control and other dubious   
   means   
   > > to control its members. What is tragic is that its members have to be   
   > > deprogrammed.   
   >   
   > How dare you to write that to me, a person that had to suffer so much   
   > under the German authorities! How dare you!   
      
   I dare a lot of things. I exercise my freedom of speech every chance I get.   
   With every exercise, it gets stronger.   
      
   > How dare you to promote   
   > "deprogramming".   
      
   I do not call it deprogramming. I call it "undoing brainwashing."   
      
   > It does not work at all! It just brought me in the   
   > emergency room with injuries and the deprogrammer in jail, you idiot!   
      
   Temper! Temper!   
      
   > As far as the Germans are concerned, they violate international human   
   > rights by persecuting Scientologists. But you are all for that, I   
   > know, I know! As the U.S. Department of State, why they feel they have   
   > to mention those German abuses in their human rights violation   
   > reports. And the Dept. of State does not even know half of it what is   
   > going on in Germany against the Scientiologists.   
      
   The US Department of State is well known for not knowing half of anything.   
   So, I am not impressed with what they do not know.   
      
   > >   
   > > > > I consider most $cientologists to be dupes and pawns. I consider the   
   > >  leaders   
   > > > > to be criminal.   
   > > >   
   > > > Many people that buy German originated hatred against SCN have your   
   > > > opinions.   
   > >   
   > > It is NOT hatred, as you cliam, but, recognition of the evil empire.   
   >   
   > You are completely full with hatred against Scientologists.   
      
   Wrong. As I pointed out, I consider most $cientologists to be unwitting   
   dupes of an evil organization, brainwashed into giving up their money, etc.   
      
   Just as   
   > the Germans claimed that the Jews were evil are you know forwarding   
   > still existing German Nazi propaganda that the Scientologists are   
   > evil. You work like a charm for them!   
      
   How clever. Nazism is illegal in Germany.   
      
   > > > But you should know that a German secret service sent people   
   > > > in the orgs to detroy the religion and with order to make a cult out   
   > > > of it. Their agents try to get on top leadership positions within SCN.   
   > > > There is even litigation in Germany to get those people out.   
   > >   
   > > Pure paranoia.   
   > Yeah, right! I run into them in the orgs myself. You don't know   
   > anything first hand, M. Probert, really nothing.   
      
   See above.   
      
   >   
   > >   
   > > > >   
   > > > > And, since you brought it up with your mention of "Nazi" I onvoke   
   > >  Godwin.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Some German Scientologists   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > That is not a reliable source, since they are $cientologists and   
   > >  trained   
   > >  to   
   > > > > > > lie.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > I never studied anything in SCN that told me to lie. All the   
   opposite.   
   > > > > > Check out the definition of "truth" in the SCN technical   
   dictionary.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Your education is woefully inadequate.   
   > >   
   > > > My education about SCN is woefully inadequate? I was the President of   
   > > > the Church of Scientology in Germany, my friend.   
   > >   
   > > 1. I am not your friend.   
   > That is true. The only honest sentence that you anti-religious lunatic   
   > wrote sofar.   
      
   Since $cientology is NOT a rfeligion, I am not anti-religious. I am   
   anti-racketeering influence corrupt organization.   
      
   > > 2. Previously, you claimed to be a private $ceintologist, and now you   
   claim   
   > > to be one of the hierarchy. Were you lying then, or are you lying now?   
   >   
   > Can't you read, Probert, or what is your problem? I told I *was* the   
   > President of the Church of Scientology. I did not post that I still   
   > am.   
      
      
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