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   From: markprobert18@lumbercartel.com   
      
   "Barbara Schwarz"  wrote in message   
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   > "Markasurusi Probertasaurusi"  wrote in   
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   > > "Barbara Schwarz"  wrote in message   
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   > > > toto  wrote in message   
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   > > > > On 22 Oct 2003 08:35:12 -0700, BarbaralovesMarty@excite.com (Barbara   
   > > > > Schwarz) wrote:   
   > > > >   
   > > > > >Don't try to play stupid and don't try to split hair.   
   Scientologists   
   > > > > >have to suffer because of the unqualified attacks of Touretzky, a   
   very   
   > > > > >perverted and also dangerous man.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > The fact is that Scientologists cause all kinds of suffering to the   
   > > > > families of those they attempt to steal away.   
   > > >   
   > > > Huh? Who do they steal away from anybody? Name the examples, Dorothy.   
   > > > If you make such allegations, you must define them, otherwise you are   
   > > > just guilty of  forwarding propaganda and lies.   
   > >   
   > > Babs, YOU have made innumerable claims wrt Toruetsky being a pervert,   
   and   
   > > have, as yet, failed to show one scintilla of proof that you afre doing   
   > > anything other than posting your flatulence. You posted URLs of   
   newspaper   
   > > articles pertaining to people other than Touretsky, not him. These only   
   go   
   > > to prove that you post flatulence.   
   >   
   >   
   > You are a Touretzky friend   
      
   Any friend of free speech is a friend of mine.   
      
   > and a flat out liar, M. Probert. I posted   
   > the truth.   
      
   Truth ala the Kriminal Kult of $ceintology is a joke. A cruel joke.   
      
   > If you are too dumb and corrupt to read the links or do   
   > your own research, don't blame it on me.   
      
   Since I am neither dumb or corrupt, I have no reason to blame you for that.   
   However, as a promotor of the Kriminal Kult, there is a lot to blame you   
   for.   
      
   Your links were missing links.   
      
   >   
   > > > Scientologists are adult people. They can chose their own religion as   
   > > > you want to chose it.   
   > >   
   > > The recruitment techniques of kults such as the Kriminal Kult of   
   $cientology   
   > > use sophisticated brainwashing techniques. Thee is no free choice.   
   >   
   > Everyone was on their own free will in SCN and could leave anything.   
   > You are constantly lying about SCN just as a paid German secret   
   > service agent.   
      
   Feeble effort at dismissal. Well trained by $cientology Lies 101.   
      
   > > Some families are only upset with the decision   
   > > > of the adult Scientologist and member of their family because they buy   
   > > > the propaganda that Toruetzky has on his website. It is all the way   
   > > > around, Dorothy. Scientologists are being kidnapped by people that   
   > > > read too much of the hatred that Touretzky and others put on their   
   > > > websites and subjected to the inhuman "deprogramming". And do you know   
   > > > why I know about that? Because it happened to me and not just once. I   
   > > > don't wish that on my worst enemy!   
   > >   
   > > You may call it deprogramming. I call it getting their free will back.   
   >   
   > How dare you to tell to a Scientologists, as I, who was subjected to   
   > those inhuman procedures, that "deprogramming" is good and helps to   
   > get the free will back. How dare you!   
      
   You would be amazed at what I dare. This is nothing.   
      
   > You are a monster!   
      
   Do $cienos believe in Halloween? Or, is it as I suspect, Halloween 365 days   
   a year?   
      
   > I don't wish   
   > it on my worst enemy. My scars still hurt of that ordeal. And it did   
   > not work at all because I had no program inside of me.   
      
   Obviously.   
      
   > The   
   > "deprogrammers" were arrested, and I stayed a Scientologist. A few   
   > people were "successfully deprogrammed", but they became criminals   
   > later, which kidnapped and "deprogrammed" others, till they were   
   > arrested. You are more than a fool, to promote "deprogramming",   
   > Probert, who are a criminal!   
      
   That is called libel, Babs.   
      
   > > > > Scientology and its alter ego Dianetics did not always claim to   
   > > > > be a religion.   
   > > >   
   > > > SCN and Dianetics are related but not the same thing. Please get your   
   > > > facts straight.   
   > >   
   > > Set the example.   
   > >   
   > > > > Scientology had its earliest origins in the article entitled   
   > > > > Dianetics: The Evolution of a Science which L. Ron Hubbard   
   > > > > published in the May 1950 issue of ASTOUNDING SCIENCE   
   > > > > FICTION magazine. Dianetics was described in this article as   
   > > > > "an organized science of thought" which offered a therapeutic   
   > > > > technique for the treatment of "any and all inorganic mental   
   > > > > and organic psychosomatic ills, with assurance of complete   
   > > > > cure in unselected cases. "The science of Dianetics became   
   > > > > further developed in subsequent writings by Hubbard and   
   > > > > others. This development was solely scientific in nature, and   
   > > > > religious aspects were not present.   
   > > > >   
   > > > From which biased website did you copy this? You have to understand   
   > > > Dianetics as supporting Scientologists to perfect themselves as   
   > > > becomming as godlike as possible.   
   > >   
   > > Only if you have enough money.   
   >   
   > I don't think that the finance policies of the later SCN orgs are from   
   > L. Ron Hubbard. I think that infiltrators wrote those finance policies   
   > to make the Europeans rich, because the SCN reserves are not in the   
   > USA where they should be, but in Europe, where the Germans want to   
   > become the official rulers.   
      
   Nice whacko conspiracy theory.   
      
   > However, I am certain that L. Ron Hubbard wrote finance policies, and   
   > that they were sane.   
      
   Can the insane write a sane policy?   
      
   If Scientology would have not money, it would be   
   > already buried by the Germans and their hate campaign. SCN needs money   
   > to fight of suppression.   
   >   
   > Many churches have money.   
      
   Irrelevant.   
      
   > Look at the Catholics or the LDS church. The   
   > LDS church take 10 percent monthly from their Mormons and don't give   
   > much in return, as courses or auditing as SCN does.   
      
   While I bear no love for the policies of the LDS, another group that is   
   anti-free speech and the only "established church" in the US, they do not   
   charge directly for their Book of Mormon, and then pull the stunts the KK$   
   pulls to preserve a copyright.   
      
   > The Christian churches in Europe take the money right from your pay   
   > check, it is called Church tax!   
      
   One of the evils of an established church.   
      
   > If SCN would have asked for taxes or would take 10 % from each   
   > Scientologist, they could be richer than they are.   
      
   Somehow, I doubt that.   
      
   > > > > Church of Scientology lawyers have sent threatening email   
   > > > > (and occasionally faxes and snail-mail) to numerous Netizens,   
      
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