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   From: markprobert19@lumbercartel.com   
      
   "Barbara Schwarz"  wrote in message   
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   > "Markasurusi usProbertasaurusius"  wrote   
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   > > "Barbara Schwarz"  wrote in message   
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   > > > "Markasurusi Probertasaurusi"  wrote   
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   > >  message news:<9cXnb.17028$Tx.2875864@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...   
   > > > > "Barbara Schwarz"  wrote in message   
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   > > > > > "Markasurusi Probertasaurusi"    
   wrote   
   > >  in   
   > >  message news:...   
   > > > > > > "Barbara Schwarz"  wrote in   
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   > > > > > > news:4c418fa.0310280845.26b781b6@posting.google.com...   
   > > > > > > > mrcmasher@hotmail.com (Scott Sande) wrote in message   
   > >  news:...   
   > > > > > > > > Hey barb.  People might take you a little more seriously if   
   you   
   > >  could   
   > > > > > > > > spell.  Get a dictionary.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > English is my 2nd language.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Hmmm...that puts logic and the understanding of reality even   
   lower   
   > >  than   
   > >  I   
   > > > > > > thought.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > If you are as fluent like me in a 2nd   
   > > > > > > > language, you have a right to critic.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Can I also criticize? And, how do you know that I am not fluent   
   in   
   > >  more   
   > >  than   
   > > > > > > one language? Hmmm??? Using that magical $ceinoBall?   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > However, it is always the people   
   > > > > > > > that don't speak a 2nd language fluently that attack others on   
   > >  true   
   > > > > > > > and even imaginary imperfections of that 2nd language.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > There are those who use the spelling flame. However, it is as   
   > >  specious   
   > >  as   
   > > > > > > many of the things you post. I equatge its use with that of a   
   > >  violation   
   > >  of   
   > > > > > > Godwin's law.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > I doubt that you understand the dangers, the criminality and the   
   > > > > > inhumanity of "deprogramming", Mr. Probert,   
   > > > >   
   > > > > I do understand the horrors of brainwashing, which "deprogramming"   
   > >  un-does,   
   > > > > and am actively involved in cult prevention wrt to the so-called   
   > >  messianic   
   > > > > jews. I have read the cults manuals, and have seen just how they try   
   to   
   > > > > steal minds.   
   > > >   
   > > > So, I run into a active Nazi who is going after the Jews   
   > >   
   > > I am NOT going after anyone. I work in an *early intervention* program   
   where   
   > > the targets of a group called "Jews for Jesus" (broadly covered under   
   the   
   > > term "Messianic Jews")are invited into my home, made just like a member   
   of   
   > > the family, and are otherwise shown that they can made their own   
   choices.   
   > > You see, I have read the 'conversion' a/k/a brainwashing manual for this   
   > > group.   
   >   
   > What is your problem with people picking their religion?   
      
   Being brainwashed (an expereince you never have to worry about) to change   
   faiths is not "picking" a religion. It is the antithesis of free choice. Why   
   do you oppose free choice?   
      
   What is your   
   > problem with religion at all, Saurus? They made their decision you   
   > just can't stand it that they did not take *your* decision. And what a   
   > fool would come to your home knowing that you are pro-"deprogramming"?   
      
   I do not accept fools into my home. I do invite young adults at local   
   universities to my home to spend time in a Jewish home while they are away   
   from theirs. I introduce them to our Jewish community, and make them feel   
   welcome. They develop local friends and contacts. When this happens, they   
   are rendered immune from the brainwashing techniques of the so-called   
   messianic Jewish cults. as they are no longer isolated.   
      
   > > These swine use brainwashing techniques similar to those used by the   
   North   
   > > Koreans during the Korean War to subvert a persons faith. They rob their   
   > > victims of free will.   
   >   
   > I don't know much about that particular religious group, but as you   
   > lied also about Scientology brainwashing people, I have to conclude   
   > that the group that you want to strip of their belief, is not   
   > brainwashed either.   
      
   OOPS! I did not lie about the Kriminal Kult of $cientology brainwashing   
   people.   
      
   > > Now, you must understand that 'Jews for Jesus' and all other sduch   
   messianic   
   > > groups, is NOT Jewish. They reject the basis tenets of Judaism. In   
   essence,   
   > > they are similar to a group called "Vegetarians for McDonalds". A pure   
   > > oxymoron.   
   >   
   > Alright, so I still don't understand what the "big crime" is. They   
   > should be allowed to believe whatever they like. What kind of religion   
   > do you think is the only good one? What kind of belief do you want to   
   > give the people after your took theirs?   
      
   I took none of theirs, your lack of reading comprehension notwithstanding.   
   As for what religion is the best one, the answer is simple.   
      
   One which is freely chosen, unlike cults such as the J4J's and $cientology.   
      
      
   > >   
   > > but who is   
   > > > invoking the Godwin "law", if he is accused of what he is doing to the   
   > > > Jews. How interesting and how typical. So, why can't you leave them   
   > > > alone, M. Probert?   
   > >   
   > > Because stealing a person's free will is disgusting to me. That is what   
   > > disgusts me about the Kriminal Kult of $cientology.   
   >   
   > But you are trying to do that with the Messanic Jews.   
      
   Wrong sweetums. You have it sdrawkcab. It is they who are stealing the free   
   will. They use brainwashing techniques to recruit as does the KK$.   
      
   Nobody is in   
   > Scientology without her or his own free will.   
      
   I would ask Lisa MacPherson's opinion on that, but she is dead, murdered by   
   the KK$ and then had her money stolen.   
      
   I know that because I   
   > was so many years in SCN and still are a Scientologist. If you don't   
   > want to study the religion andmore, you just discontinue and do   
   > something else.   
      
   Or, when you run out of money they....   
      
   > > > You don't know anything about deprogramming. Taking a religion and   
   > > > living by it is no mindcontrol,   
   > >   
   > > Only if the person takes that religion by their own free will. WRT to   
   J4J's   
   > > and the KK$, there is no free will.   
   >   
   > You should make differences. Most of all, you are pro-"deprogramming",   
   > that is where the free will is stolen. Is somebody tells you about a   
   > religion and you find it good and true and you join it, that means   
   > that you made the decision on your own free will. However, when you   
      
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