XPost: ba.transportation, alt.planning.urban, misc.transport.urban-transit
From: tscn@adelph.net
In article <407D5A74.6090409@but.us.chickens>,
David Nebenzahl wrote:
> On 4/14/2004 7:28 AM Robert Coté spake thus:
>
> > In article <107pdcjgi5hca8d@corp.supernews.com>, "Baxter"
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> "Robert Coté" wrote in message
> >> news:tscn-3641A4.19420513042004@isp.ash.giganews.com...
> >>
> >>> In article <107oc1bggfslhdf@corp.supernews.com>, "Baxter"
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "Robert Coté" wrote in message
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You answer your own issue. Freeways -saved- what could be salvaged
> >>>>> from those urban cores locked in a death spiral.
> >>>>
> >>>> Nope. Simply relocated the problem(s).
> >>>
> >>> Well.... yeah. Exactly. Freeways allowed cities to export their
> >>> problems and import (or retain) a class of captive productive sources
> >>> of revenue. Thus saving them from the death spiral of all their
> >>> inefficiences catching up with them.
> >>
> >> What a crock! Cote must have one of those phrase generator thingies -
> >> take one from column A, one from column B and one from column C and make
> >> it a sentence. Here he's not said anything actually intelligible.
> >
> > I was agreeing with your insightful comment; "[freeways] simply relocated
> > the problem(s)." If the content is unintelligible then I suggest you take
> > it up with the author of the original comment.
> >
> > This is one of those rare instances where I agree with Leroy. I say so
and
> > compliment him. The reaction? Pathological. Leroy is so used to being
> > beaten up on these issues that when no one else steps up to provide the
> > beating he starts abusing himself.
>
> Yeah, right. Your reaction is like that of one who has offered someone a bowl
> of ice cream with a poison pill quite obviously mixed in, with a chiding "now
> why are you refusing my nice offer?". Just more bullshit is all.
Not at all. The subject is the mixed impact extending freeways to the
old urban core had on those places. Like most things there were good
and bad impacts. For but one instance; the demolition of entire
corridors has been characterized as "urban renewal" by some and as
"racial cleansing" or "community destruction" by others.
I agree with Leroy that freeways relocated problems and expanded on his
comment by saying it worked both ways relocating problems but also
recapturing assets that would have otherwise left and never come back.
So far I've been trying to be nothing but polite and positive and on
topic for first replies. The first time got me the "crock!" comment in
reply. I replied in kind but also included topical content. Now
Nebenzahl chimes in with "bullshit." No discussion of the topic just
the participants. Well since that's the way these things go;
But so fucking what?
libertarian pinheads who keep insisting on flat-earth "science"
You know, I think Mr. Cote could give the Arabs and the Israelis
a few lessons on how to keep old hatreds and animosity alive.
empirical evidence (mainly from observations
How's your Price-Anderson analysis coming along? Your apology for
accusing me of being an energy waster? Your excuse for "allowing" the
Sun to keep causing more cancer than nuclear plants? Your corrections
with regard to your claims about the Iraqi war? What ever happened to
your chemical treatise on 20 pounds of carbondioxide? How about
apologizing for the "Fuck off." comment? The "HITLER" comment?
Your ignorance of the geoclimatic history of Britan? Cape Cod? How
about apologizing to the unsuspecting others for exposing them to
comments like " Robert Cote is full of shit" and now just "bullshit?" Do
you still trust Leroy Baxter? Secret military roles to protect the
domestic oil industry?
My post was in no way as abusive as your feeble attempts at usenet
manipulation. For shame. Me, I'm interested in opinions on the varied
impacts of freeways on urban centers.
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