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      XPost: soc.culture.china, soc.culture.usa, soc.culture.korean       XPost: soc.culture.latin-america, soc.culture.australian, soc.cu       ture.afghanistan       XPost: rec.sport.tennis       From: acoustic@panix.com              If there is a "crisis" over North Korea, it was precipitated by us a       long time ago.              First, we sent troops to the Korean peninsula and fought the Koreans       and pushed the battleground all the way up to the Chinese border.              It was one of the first hegemonic acts of the U.S.              In response, China under Mao decided to send volunteers and fight       with the Koreans that the US army fought against. It ended with a       truce at the 38th parallel north and the division of Korea.              Yet, the US government refused to sign a peace treaty, thus giving       itself an excuse to station US troops in South Korea ad aeternum.              There was an opening, in the 1990s, for the much desired unification       of Korea, similar to that of Germany. And there arose the "Sunshine       Policy" in South Korea.               The Sunshine Policy was the foreign policy of South Korea towards        North Korea from 1998 to 2008.               In the year 1988 the South Korean President at the time chose the        name Sunshine Policy after Aesop's Fable which was about the north        wind and the sun. This was meant to soften North Korea's attitude        towards South Korea. Even though the name came from Aesop's Fable        the idea was based on the traditional Korean ways of dealing with        enemies by giving them gifts to prevent them from causing harm.              Even the Scandinavians were working to encourage the reproachment by       giving a Nobel Peace prize to South Korea's Kim Dae-jung.              But George W Bush wouldn't let the sun shine over the country. He       actively intervened to make South Korea scrub the policy and declared       North Korea a member of his "axis of evil" in connection of his "War       on Terror" (see his State of the Union speech in 2002).              What terrorism has North Korea committed? Washington is long on the       narrative about the Kims being "mad men", starving and torturing his       people, etc, etc. But it's short on evidence.              So, Bush nixed the Korean hope of reunification. Then the worthless       Obama, who was so eager to earn his $400,000 per speech retirement       benefit that he further intensified the temperature over the Korean       peninsula.              Obama inaugurated his Asian pivot! The act was and is aimed at China       and Russia in the Far East, just as stationing the trooops on the 38th       parallel was aimed at those then-communist countries.              Obama further signed a deal to deploy a THAAD system in S Korea, on a       golf course outside of Seoul, ostensibly to protect the Korean people       from attack of the mad man from the north.              But of course, not even the South Koreans believe it. It is a system       mainly aimed at China and Russia - and that's why those two countries       are so nervous about it.              Again and again, the politicians in Washington and their propaganda       arm are insisting that North Korea has threatened the world. Is it       backed up by facts?              A desire to be able to defend yourself and make your home secure is       natural to all living and conscious organisms. Why shouldn't any       living and breathing and thinking creature want to live? Who wants to       be the next Saddam or Qaddafi? Who want to be savagely murdered and       then your executioner be laughing it off before the whole world?              And certainly, a "smart cookie" knows that a deterrent is to keep       those who have any idea about doing you in from trying and not to use       it except when your enemy is about to take you out. A deterrent is a       counterpunch device. A smart cookie, especially a small one, does not       counterpunch unless you strike him first. A smart cookie is not the       crazie that his enemies are painting him.              Before we first had nukes, we conducted extensive trials. Before we       had ICBMs, we tested and tested their precursors and had many failures       too. Likewise, before Russia (or the Soviet Union before it) and       China had their first workable ones, they also conducted extensive       trial launches. The UK, France, Israel, Pakistan, ..., also did       exactly the same thing. What the UK did to the Solomon Islands is       sacrilegious to Mother Nature in fact.              And, except for the United States, no countries who have the nukes       today and the delivery capabilities, have used them. And since having       nukes and nuke-delivery capabilitires are self-defense tools, it makes       no sense to tell a country it must be destroyed for trying to secure       itself from external harm.              If France, e.g., is not held to the same standard we are judging North       Korea by, then the standard won't be respected. And that's why it is       causing so much commotion when Washington is moving nuclear submarines       and aircraft carriers to the Korean coast for a possible attack.              And that's why the THAAD system is such a provocation to North Korea,       and China and Russia. All these cannot be good news to all three       countries. They are in Washington's cross-hairs and they know it.              If North Korea falls, it is not because of a possible refugee crisis       China fears. It is that China will see itself as the next Syria at       the time when Libya was about to fall. It is not in China's own       interest to survive if it listens to John Bolton's mad invitation to       help hasten North Korea's fall. And that's why no sane government       would see kindly what we do if we attack North Korea for simply       testing a nuke or launching an ICBM in order to acquire a deterrent.               John Bolton:        "There is a deal here, not based on Pyongyang renouncing its        nuclear program, but on China and America ending the North's threat        by peacefully ending the North.        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^              What Bolton is saying to China is essentially:        "Here is a knife, you `end' the North or you will be worse off if we        take actions".              You know, when Imperial Japan was lording over China in the first half       of the 20th century, it exploded the train that carried the Chinese       general Zhang Zuo-Lin to eliminate him. Why? For not working hard       enough for the Japanese interests in China.              Should Beijing not remember the "huanggutun incident" of 1928/06/04?              Besides, if there will be a refugee crisis arising from the Korean       peninsula being attacked from the outside, it will be refugees heading       to the south and then very likely from the south to the United States.              If we Americans worry about terrorism, this will be it! Attacking NK       will radicalize the Korean people, north and south. We will further       terrorism the same way we did by attacking Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya,       Yemen, and Syria. John Bolton is cynical and crazy. And Israel's       defense minister would do well to call Bolton a "madman" instead of       calling Kim such.                     [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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