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      XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.atheism, rec.arts.tv       XPost: alt.survival, talk.politics.misc, soc.culture.russia       From: gop@sgmail.com               Opinion: Republicans acknowledge Russian election interference. So why       are they so irrational about Ukraine?       For President Trump, intelligence findings that Russia interfered on his       behalf in the 2016 election seem to have made him determined to prove       Ukraine helped his opponent Hillary Clinton. There is no evidence of       Ukraine's involvement in the election.       For President Trump, intelligence findings that Russia interfered on his       behalf in the 2016 election seem to have made him determined to prove       Ukraine helped his opponent Hillary Clinton. There is no evidence of       Ukraine’s involvement in the election.       (Mandel Ngan / AFP/Getty Images)       By Jonah GoldbergColumnist       Dec. 10, 2019 3 AM PT              Contrary to a lot of heated rhetoric from Democrats, most Republicans       understand that Russia was responsible for the hacking of the Democratic       National Committee’s server in 2016 and other efforts to sow mischief in       the electoral process. They’ll even admit it when pressed.              The problem is they want everyone to believe that Ukraine did the same       thing. It didn’t.              For the record:              7:30 a.m. Dec. 11, 2019An earlier version of this story misspelled the       name of former chess champion Garry Kasparov. Also, the story said he was       born in Russia. He was actually born in Azerbaijan, then a part of the       Soviet Union.              To make the case, the Ukraine conspiracy theorists take a handful of       anecdotes about individual Ukrainians and insinuate or insist this thin       gruel amounts to something as sinister as the Russian effort. While the       effort is a propaganda gift for Russian President Vladimir Putin, they’re       pushing this piffle to show they’ve got the president’s back amid the       impeachment drama. They’re trying to legitimize Trump’s pressure campaign       on Ukraine, but it takes some huge leaps of faith.              The president subscribes to a fever swamp illusion that goes by the       shorthand “CrowdStike.” This potted conspiracy theory holds that the       Ukrainians were really the ones to hack the DNC, and the cybersecurity       firm CrowdStrike somehow colluded in hiding the server somewhere in       Ukraine. (It’s not there and there were actually scores of servers.)       Before Trump pressed Ukrainian President Volodmyr Zelensky to investigate       Joe Biden, he first asked him to get to the bottom of CrowdStrike.       Advertisement              Trump isn’t pushing this canard because it’s Russian propaganda, but       because it’s Trumpian propaganda. He detests the fact that everyone,       starting with the CIA and continuing through Robert S. Mueller III, has       confirmed Russia’s interference on his behalf because he thinks it robs       glory from his victory. It’s his “Achilles’ heel” his former aide Hope       Hicks told the FBI in recently released interview notes.              The problem is that no one can take this CrowdStrike craziness seriously.       According to Trump’s own theory, Ukraine meddled on behalf of Hillary       Clinton. And, to that end, they dealt a devastating blow to her campaign       by hacking the DNC server and pinning it on Russia.              Those dots don’t connect. So what the president’s defenders are doing is       waving away the actual matter Trump asked about — CrowdStrike — and       stitching together enough random bits to claim Ukraine meddled just enough       to make the president’s “concerns” seem legitimate. It’s a bait and       switch.              Take the dramatic appearance by Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) on “Meet the       Press” on Sunday. “Of course Russia interfered in our election,” he said.       “Nobody looking at the evidence disputes that.”              The controversial part came when Cruz added: “Because Russia interfered,       the media pretends nobody else did. Ukraine blatantly interfered in our       election.”              No it didn’t.              Cruz’s best evidence of meddling is an op-ed he cites that was written by       the Ukrainian ambassador to the United States in the wake of convoluted       remarks by then-candidate Trump about Russia’s illegal annexation of       Crimea. Trump himself later tried to walk back the comments, but not       before the Ukrainian ambassador wrote that Ukraine was troubled by Trump’s       backsliding on the Crimea issue. To bipartisan and worldwide horror,       Russia illegally stole Crimea. The ambassador, writing at a time when       Ukrainians were being killed by Russia-backed forces, said: “Many in       Ukraine are unsure what to think, since Trump’s comments stand in sharp       contrast to the Republican Party platform.”              This is outrageous meddling? Who knew an op-ed in the Hill could be so       influential?              Trump’s comments stood in contrast to Sen. Cruz’s own position on the       annexation. Does Cruz think that an ambassador raising concerns that echo       Cruz’s amount to “blatantly” interfering in an election? Is it comparable       to Russia’s anonymous purchase of Facebook ads in 2016 designed to exploit       political divides and help Trump get elected?              Other examples of Ukrainian meddling thrown around by Trump defenders       mostly include random statements by individual Ukrainians or the effort by       independent Ukrainian actors to release damaging — and truthful —       information about former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort’s corrupt       dealings in Ukraine on behalf of pro-Russian politicians. They often       mention a Ukrainian court ruling saying the disclosure of that information       amounted to meddling in U.S. elections. Less mentioned is the fact that       the ruling was overturned. Whatever you make of all that, you could make       the case that withholding such information would have amounted to       “interference” too.              But the idea that any of this is remotely equivalent to Russia’s       clandestine, Putin-ordered interference is preposterous. It’s also       irrelevant because there’s no evidence Trump had any of this in mind when       he asked Zelensky about CrowdStrike.              Just after the 2016 election, the Soviet-born former chess champion Garry       Kasparov tweeted: “The point of modern propaganda isn’t only to misinform       or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate       truth.”              That may be the closest we can come to understanding the president’s       Ukraine strategy — and that of his defenders.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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