From: rking164@comcast.net   
      
   It took two months in order to force the separatists to give up    
   everdonetska.  It should be no surprise that Severdonetsk is still being held   
   by those with orders yo not surrender while the soldiers die with their   
   families. Severdonetsk is also a key    
   region which the Russians are determined to regain for Donetsk.   
   Once Donetsk and Luhansk secured, I expect Russian forces to dominate the East   
   side of the Dnieper River.    
   Kiev and Dnipro will be the river crossing points, but the bridges may as well   
   be non-existent.   
   It is easy to imagine that the river will be the boundary between Russia and   
   US friendly Western Ukraine.   
   What of those regions between the Dnieper and Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk?     
   We can se these regions as a DMZ, but that approach has issues.   
      
   It would have been better if this conflict never started with Ukraine   
   willingly retreating its army while we find out who actually does live there.    
   What of those regions 50/50 Ukrainian/Russian.   
   Most Ukrainians were not around in 1962, so they do not understand how the   
   Cuban missile crisis was resolved?  The Ukrainian situation is similar. Russia   
   does not want nuclear weapons based in the Ukraine, which means no NATO.   
   NATO bases are the support bases for  US nuclear weapons capable forces   
   The immediate targets are Mariupol and Severdonetsk city.   
   Zelesky will order Severdonetsk to defend to the last man while their families   
   do not flee.  Invariably, this would cost lives of women and children as they   
   suffer the horror of a wartime siege.   
   We see the separatists at least had the good sense to retreat and to not make   
   a suicidal stand while being overwhelmed.   
   Humanitarian corridors back to the West for future POW's would not be   
   expected. Not all evacuees would be headed to Siberia; only those still   
   glorifying Zelensky.  Neurtal evacuees would be encouraged to return home once   
   the smoke clears,   
   China would help Russia rebuild the damaged city infrastructure.  The bankrupt   
   West will help rebuild damaged infrastructure in Western Ukraine just as well   
   as US rebuilds its own cities. Detroit is a good example. 'US will be asked to   
   absorb probably 2    
   million refugees and US social security will foot the 40 billion plus per year   
   bill   
   Uncle Joe will sanction Russian parliament, kick Russia out of the G20 while   
   "promising" to absorb a large, unspecified number of refugees. A conservative   
   estimate would place the number in excess of 2 million.   
   US can pay for arming with weapons while also paying to absorb the refugees.   
   Just a prediction. It is not what I would will, as if my willpower is a   
   control factor. It is not.   
      
   Battles of Severodonetsk was a series of battles between Ukrainian troops and   
   Luhansk People's Republic formations during armed conflict in eastern Ukraine   
   in cities and around cities Lisichansk agglomeration (Rubezhnoye, Lisichansk,   
   Severodonetsk) for    
   control over these cities (there were no battles in Severodonetsk itself).   
      
   Timeline   
   On 22 May 2014 a convoy from the 30th Mechanized Brigade of the Armed Forces   
   of Ukraine entered the city of Rubezhnoye. After that, she turned towards   
   Lysychanska and Severodonetska. Along the way, the convoy was fired upon with   
   grenade launchers and    
   small arms by LPR separatists from the detachment Pavel Dryomov. During the   
   battle, Ukrainian Armed Forces lost two infantry fighting vehicles and a cargo   
   Ural with an anti-aircraft gun in the back.[citation needed]   
      
   At the end of May 2014, there was heavy fighting between LPR separatists and   
   units of the National Guard of Ukraine. The media reported on the use by the   
   Ukrainian army of mortars, howitzers, Tulpan self-propelled mortars and Grad   
   multiple launch rocket    
   systems.   
      
   On 22 July 2014 the LPR separatists retreated from Severodonetsk. Units of the   
   National Guard of Ukraine entered the city.   
      
   As of 23 July 2014, the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Guard of   
   Ukraine continued to engage in street fighting with the separatists. According   
   to the fighters of the National Guard, they found one howitzer, more than 50   
   kilograms of plastids,    
   15 high-explosive shells and other ammunition in the city.[3] The fighting   
   continued until 24 July, when in the city of Lisichansk, a Colonel of the NSU   
   Radievsky, who was posthumously awarded the rank of Major General, was killed   
   by separatists   
      
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