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   Message 96,964 of 98,335   
   Raskolynikov to All   
   Re: Damaging Western propaganda (1/2)   
   24 Apr 22 11:23:03   
   
   From: andronicus451@gmail.com   
      
   Thank you for your message.   
      
   Dear Lazarus, you have started a number of topics in parallel, so I will try   
   to reply under each for a change,   
   the old style.   
      
   Dana nedjelja, 24. travnja 2022. u 18:57:19 UTC+2 korisnik Lazarus Cain   
   napisao je:   
      
   > Imposing guilt upon a woman who exercises such a freedom of choice leads   
   very much to a decline in church membership.   
      
   I don't think that the church is imposing guilt on the women who undergo   
   abortion. But even those who do not attend church are reported to suffer from   
   anxiety and depression in the long run, later in life.   
   The primary role of the church is actually the opposite: to minister the   
   reconciliation of such women and girls to their Creator, just as Jesus did for   
   Mary Magdalene and the adulterous woman. Sadly, this is hardly ever seen,   
   until just recently Pope    
   Francis proclaimed a year of grace for the women who committed abortion.   
   Abortion is a particularly heavy murder of an innocent unborn child, who had   
   not yet committed good or evil by itself, but ended probably in darkness, as   
   king Solomon said.   
      
   From this perspective, if woman's freedom is placing innocent human beings in   
   darkness for good or until the Judgment Day (for they have not been baptised   
   in Christ and have Adam's original sin), then it is no longer freedom, but   
   violence. And lawgiver    
   has the right and duty to prevent and sanction violence.   
      
   > We see hypocrites promoting an oily war while at the same time they wish to   
   ban abortion.   
      
   I see nothing hypocritical in this as I am publicly against abortion at least   
   for the last 30 years.   
      
   > A proper leadership would allow oil the oil and gas to be traded free of   
   sanctions so as to not impose crippling inflation on those barely able to make   
   a living.   
      
   I wish too if that would be possible. But, on the other hand, president   
   Putin's approval rate allegedly arose to unforeseen 80% after incursion on   
   Ukraine. At least while it looked to promise swift success.   
      
   > The war would not have started if US had not forced the issue concerning   
   Nord Stream II    
      
   I am not sure about this, for Mr. Putin spoke earlier how Ukraine doesn't have   
   the right to exist in its current Budapest Memorandum 1994 borders, for they   
   were devised by Lenin and bolseviks. Besides, he would not suffer Ukraine to   
   join NATO even if    
   Nord Stream II passed and went into operation. This seems like you are mixing   
   cause and the effect.   
      
   > The other cause is the US lust and greed to establish a NATO base in Crimea   
   and denying Russia access to the Black Sea   
      
   Which I would vote against if that would be put on vote internationally to all   
   concerned. Frankly, I would like to see Ukraine non-aligned. And keeping its   
   trade with Russia its greatest economic partner. Much of this is now   
   impossible due to Mr. Putin's    
   actions.   
      
   > At the same time US will gloat concerning its victory over Russia and keep   
   Guantanamo as an operational military base in Cuba.   
      
   I really do not see who won a victory here.   
   The USA would have won the victory if Mr. Reagan and Mr. Gorbatchev agreed on   
   global nuclear disarmament in 1989.   
   Nothing that brings nuke warheads closer together until they heat up looks to   
   me like a lasting victory. They will not help rewind the Doomsday Clock, which   
   is the closest approximation to the victory: having bought more time until the   
   Armageddon.   
      
   > Of course Putin would lose power and secretly executed with the loss of the   
   Crimea.   
      
   Well, God forbid! My belief in holiness of life includes that of Mr. Vladimir   
   VladimiroviÄ   
    Putin. It is a good thing that he might have developed some actual faith. I   
   don't see that as a weakness.   
   May the LORD help Mr. Putin to restrain his "silovniki" that might only impose   
   someone without control of the Russian Orthodox Church in his place, a true   
   King of the North. I have received reassurances from the prophets that Mr.   
   Putin will not be the    
   next Hitler, and that is rather convincing argument. Which I cannot say for   
   the person who would come to his place if he is forcefully replaced.   
      
   I am interested in the holy Russia he speaks about. I hope that includes   
   preaching Gospel to the nation and ban of abortion and divorce (except for   
   marital infidelity).   
      
   > The Cold War would ramp up to new highs anf Western Europe will face a   
   depression exceding the one of the 1930's because of a war induced crimp on   
   oil and gas to Europe.    
      
   Cold War worries me because of the new arms race.   
   On the other hand, today's economy is much more resilient. But don't think   
   Russian oil and gas cannot find substitute in global market.   
      
   > US has not begun to address the future global climate change and energy   
   crises. Instead the old, partially senile, Biden has set the world backwards   
   some 60 years or more concerning international diplomacy plunging the entire   
   world into one of global    
   chaos and conflict while promising some new world order or some other pie in   
   the sky pipe dream.    
   >    
   > What we do know the industrial-military complex is receiving endless funding   
   and the profits from the military contracts will reward thhe investors on Wall   
   Street, not to mention the profits now being seen by the oil and gas   
   suppliers.    
   >    
   > The Biden administration started this war by having his head buried in his   
   own bullshit and not properly regarding reality.    
   >    
   > Well, he has his war, and it promises to be a long one.    
   > I do see that eventually US troops will be in the Ukraine, just as he let   
   slip out a few weeks ago. Funny thing: If Biden sends in US troops, will Trump   
   pull them out.    
   > Trump will also delight in ending "Biden's war".    
   >    
   > As I mentioned when the war started, Biden by allowing this war has secured   
   for the US Presidency Donald Trump in the next election.    
      
   All of this is politics, and I try not to get involved. I cannot carry the   
   burden of Uncle Sam's sins. Not when he doesn't repent. Even Jesus can't.   
   I am trying to maintain a peace making mission and a humanitarian one.   
      
   > Ukraine and Russia will be best of friends for the next generation, NOT,   
   just like Saudi Arabia and Iran, or North and South Korea, or more like Israel   
   and Palestine. What kind of peace can the US truly negotiate here?    
      
   This war may last for 10 years, Lazarus. It lasted that long in Balkans.   
   I don't see too many friendly Serbs and Croats or Bosnians today. And if there   
   are, they are likely to be judged as traitors more common than peacemakers.   
      
      
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