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   Message 97,007 of 98,335   
   Raskolynikov to All   
   Re: Good and Evil   
   29 May 22 10:10:27   
   
   From: andronicus451@gmail.com   
      
   Pounding cities full of unsuspecting, innocent civilians based on the   
   assumption that they   
   support neonazis, when only fewer than 5-10% actually are ... the rest   
   probably view this as   
   some kind of folklore, or are explicitly against, but silent, as ordinary   
   peaceful citizens are ...   
   I know this from my own country.   
      
   This is undoubtedly wrong.   
      
   And evil.   
      
   Even without explicit war crimes and summary executions of PoWs and civilians.   
   It is   
   simply wrong. Undoubtedly, the "denazification" story goes along with the more   
   significant cause of   
   political and strategic balance. In which Putin tried to ward off the   
   possibility of having nuke   
   launchers in Ukraine, but now may have them even closer ...   
      
   This is obviously not something that can be resolved with killing more   
   civilians in Ukraine, or   
   even more Azov members.   
      
   Mr. Putin needs to go back to the negotiating table, and also prove that his   
   word in negotiation   
   is worth something, that it has some weight. Apart from the Soviet-style   
   oppression apparatus   
   applied to dissidents in Russia itself.   
      
   No doubt, Russia needs security against the nuclear threat and no doubt that   
   the Russian   
   security is a part of global nuclear security.   
      
   However, not all paths lead to that goal, and I believe Mr. Putin had chosen   
   the wrong path.   
   Even if he succeeds in the secession of the Donbas region violating the   
   Budapest Memorandum   
   of Ukrainian sovereignty, he will not make Russia safer, because he is losing   
   on other fronts. Adding them   
   to the list of enemies for denazification won't do the trick, for apparently   
   countries will from now   
   on be prepared for that type of outcome.   
      
   Even the Donbas Russians would be better off in a democratised, multinational   
   Ukraine than in   
   the oligarchic, totalitarian Russia under Mr. Putin or his would-be heir.   
      
   Ukraine just needs to reassure the ordinary Russian citizens and the   
   insurgents who have not   
   committed war crimes of abolition and reassured cultural autonomy and   
   constitutional rights   
   withing Ukraine.   
      
   I believe any peace is better than any war, but Mr. Putin now thinks he can   
   score on temporary   
   military advantage in the Donbas region and still proclaim victory in the war.   
      
   But this may also be a Pyrrhic victory.   
      
   In peace, Russia would get a chance for the economic revival, but this is   
   exactly what the "silovniki"   
   fear: the change that would weaken their monopoly of power.   
      
   in the Lord   
   Amen   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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