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|    Raskolynikov to All    |
|    Re: Good and Evil    |
|    29 May 22 10:10:27    |
      From: andronicus451@gmail.com              Pounding cities full of unsuspecting, innocent civilians based on the       assumption that they       support neonazis, when only fewer than 5-10% actually are ... the rest       probably view this as       some kind of folklore, or are explicitly against, but silent, as ordinary       peaceful citizens are ...       I know this from my own country.              This is undoubtedly wrong.              And evil.              Even without explicit war crimes and summary executions of PoWs and civilians.       It is       simply wrong. Undoubtedly, the "denazification" story goes along with the more       significant cause of       political and strategic balance. In which Putin tried to ward off the       possibility of having nuke       launchers in Ukraine, but now may have them even closer ...              This is obviously not something that can be resolved with killing more       civilians in Ukraine, or       even more Azov members.              Mr. Putin needs to go back to the negotiating table, and also prove that his       word in negotiation       is worth something, that it has some weight. Apart from the Soviet-style       oppression apparatus       applied to dissidents in Russia itself.              No doubt, Russia needs security against the nuclear threat and no doubt that       the Russian       security is a part of global nuclear security.              However, not all paths lead to that goal, and I believe Mr. Putin had chosen       the wrong path.       Even if he succeeds in the secession of the Donbas region violating the       Budapest Memorandum       of Ukrainian sovereignty, he will not make Russia safer, because he is losing       on other fronts. Adding them       to the list of enemies for denazification won't do the trick, for apparently       countries will from now       on be prepared for that type of outcome.              Even the Donbas Russians would be better off in a democratised, multinational       Ukraine than in       the oligarchic, totalitarian Russia under Mr. Putin or his would-be heir.              Ukraine just needs to reassure the ordinary Russian citizens and the       insurgents who have not       committed war crimes of abolition and reassured cultural autonomy and       constitutional rights       withing Ukraine.              I believe any peace is better than any war, but Mr. Putin now thinks he can       score on temporary       military advantage in the Donbas region and still proclaim victory in the war.              But this may also be a Pyrrhic victory.              In peace, Russia would get a chance for the economic revival, but this is       exactly what the "silovniki"       fear: the change that would weaken their monopoly of power.              in the Lord       Amen              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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