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|    Ilya Shambat to All    |
|    Putin and Lessons from Second World War    |
|    05 Sep 22 04:21:48    |
      From: ibshambat@gmail.com              As somebody who used to support Vladimir Putin, I am infuriated at what he has       been doing in Ukraine. The Ukrainian people have done nothing to deserve what       is happening to them. However that is not where the matter ends.              In 1985, the Soviet leadership elected a noble-minded leader named Mikhail       Gorbachev. He tried to make the place more democratic and more humane. In 1991       the Communist hardliners put him under house arrest. The people poured into       the Red Square; the        hardliners sent in tanks; however the military refused the orders to shoot at       the people. The Soviet military made a noble and righteous decision. And the       reward for their nobility has been their country plundered and its people       treated like dirt.              Has the world failed to learn anything from the Second World War? The lesson       is that you don’t humiliate a proud country. What Putin has been doing in       Ukraine has been just as wrong as what Hitler had done. But he has support of       people who are in no        way evil; who have seen their country dragged through the dirt and who are       correctly angry at what has happened to their country.              Russia has both the traditional Slavic authoritarian influence and the Western       democratic influence. The two sets do not get along, and they have been       fighting each other since 17th century. At the end of the Soviet Union, many       Russians looked toward the        West, and many believe that the West has betrayed them. This makes credible       the worst voices in Russia and endangers the better people in the country,       and, as we are now seeing, in a number of other places as well.              So we have some people claiming that the Russians are evil. They don’t know       what they are talking about. There is nothing evil about Anna Akhmatova, Leo       Tolstoy or Yuri Gagarin. They are failing to understand what is happening, and       it takes someone who        knows what he’s talking about to inform them correctly. Russians have seen       their country dragged through the dirt, and that gives credibility to the       worst people in the country. And, as we are seeing now, it is very, very bad       for Russia’s neighbors.              For a long time under Putin Russia was doing well, and by standards of Russian       politics he was mild. What he has been doing in Ukraine has been completely       unjustifiable, and I hope that it costs him being in power. The alternatives       to him range from Gary        Kasparov, a chess champion who has been leading pro-democracy movement in       Russia, to Alexander Lukashenka, a Belorussian despot who wants Belarus to       join Russia so that he can subject both countries to totalitarian rule.              Which one of these becomes credible is very much the function of the West’s       policies toward Russia. There is still time to correct the errors that have       been made. Empower the better voices in Russia by treating Russia and Russian       people well. And see        the place become receptive to Western ideas and grow in peace and prosperity.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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