XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.politics, alt.politics.usa   
   From: os333@netc.eu   
      
   56d.1152,    
   > On 11/19/23 11:47 PM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:   
      
   >> The "democracy" agenda is basically based on the idea that it's   
   >> natural that interests of people / factions of the society may   
   >> differ, but a compromise can be agreed in a civilized way.   
   >   
   >   
   >   Greek/western "democracy"/republics may not be the most   
   >   appealing solution for everyone. However, as Churchill   
   >   once remarked, it may be the "best" crappy solution.   
   >   
   >   
   >> In the Ukraine case, the Atlanticism encouraged the Ukraine's   
   >> "pro-west" faction to usurp power without hesitating to use   
   >> strong, armed violence, and, moreover, the propaganda machine   
   >> (the MSM) mendaciously misrepresented it as a kind of noble   
   >> "revolution" and "liberation".   
   >   
   >   Depends. If you were in WESTERN Ukraine then it WAS the   
   >   desirable, "noble", solution. If you were in EASTERN   
   >   Ukraine, not so much. Ethnic/ideologically divided   
   >   nation = NO PEACE.   
   >   
   >   CAN'T please all of the people all of the time. Trying   
   >   to deal with humans is like trying to herd cats.   
   >   
   >   Alas there's also the CRIMEA question. Russia HAS to   
   >   control it for defense/trade/investment reasons.   
   >   It COULD rebuild just on the other side of the strait,   
   >   I've looked at the maps, but that'd be a LONG term   
   >   project. No matter what, I think Russia keeps most of   
   >   Crimea. Sure, sure ... a "joint control" solution is   
   >   theoretically possible, but such "theories" rarely   
   >   work out. Too much bad blood now for that to work.   
   >   
   >   Unless the Space Aliens show up and totally upset   
   >   the existing global paradigm, expect problems like   
   >   Ukraine to persist.   
   >   
   >   Um ... Space Aliens ... NOW is the time ........   
      
   Your rants have no value.   
      
   You're a mentally and emotionally unstable babbler.   
      
   The point is that "democracy" doesn't imply a violence   
   as a solution when there's a conflict of interests   
   between factions. The Atlanticism *encouraged* violence   
   in the Ukraine case, under "democracy" slogans. And any   
   violence tends to produce then more violence.   
      
   The American scum of your kind are not only stupid but   
   also believe that something "pro-American" must also be   
   "democratic", and vice versa, - automatically.   
      
   This mistake contributes to American decline, too.   
      
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