From: rking164@comcast.net   
      
   On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 3:19:54 PM UTC-6, Raskolynikov wrote:   
   > P.P.S.    
   >    
   > Regarding the rockets indiscriminately fired upon the Israeli civilians,   
   killing some 1,400, I believe that they (Hamas) were misguided.    
   >    
   > Al-Maidah 5:45    
   > We ordained for them in the Torah, “A life for a life, an eye for an eye,   
   a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth—and for wounds   
   equal retaliation.” But whoever waives it charitably, it will be atonement   
   for them. And those who    
   do not judge by what Allah has revealed are ˹truly˺ the wrongdoers.    
   >    
   > This "life for a life" never meant murdering innocent persons at random. It   
   was meant to be settled by the elders and the judges. Noble Qur'an has zero   
   tolerance for the "collateral damage". Even when it always happened in the   
   history, it was not    
   justified by the faith, but a "haram" deed (sin). Before 1914, the armies   
   would usually array against each other on the battlefield, and one side would   
   take victory. Though there were sieges of cities, raids and plunders on the   
   villages, in the last    
   century or so, the most of the victims are civilian casualties, starting with   
   carpet bombing and not ending with nuclear weapons and napalm.   
   > Al-Nisa 4:112    
   > And whoever commits an evil or sinful deed then blames it on an innocent   
   person, they will definitely bear the guilt of slander and blatant sin.    
   >    
   > Al-Kahf 18:74    
   > So they proceeded until they came across a boy, and the man killed him.   
   Moses protested, “Have you killed an innocent soul, who killed no one? You   
   have certainly done a horrible thing.”   
   > In this conflict between IDF and Hamas, it appears that 90% or more   
   casualties are civilian, mainly due to despicable attitude of the Israelis   
   towards the value of the life of a Palestinians child.    
   >    
   > However, since the Sabra and Shatila massacre in 1982, when IDF tanks   
   commanded by the defence minister Ariel Sharon (later elected PM - which   
   coincided with the rise of Hamas) surrounded the Palestinian refugee camp and   
   left the slaughter to the    
   Lebanese "Christian" Phalangists in revenge to a murder of their leader   
   allegedly by the PLO ... Palestinians might be entitled to their own defence   
   forces and a self-defence militia. Hamas is only labeled as a terrorist   
   organisation by some political    
   parties, recognised as legitimate organistation by the others, yet shows the   
   traits of a political subject that can be negotiated with in the hardest   
   possible circumstances where they were tested.    
   >    
   > in the LORD God Merciful, Almighty    
   > Amen   
   The problem with quoting scripture is the ambiguity resulting from   
   cherrypicking.   
      
   This is why I prefer to use only the quotes alleged to be those of Jesus for   
   my solid beliefs.  So easy to understand that a child can do it.   
      
   Do not associate me with military might. I am simply a poor, weak, old man due   
   to face GOD in a few years.   
      
   I am aware of the problem with nuclear weapons, but will they ever go away?   
      
   I am aware of the problem with disputes, but how do we find common ground when   
   we cannot find common shared beliefs.   
      
   How good is one's education?  What kind of sciencesand logic did you learn and   
   howdid you resolve that with religious faith.   
      
   Yes, it is hard to have religious faith and also to be excellent at math and   
   science, but it can be done. There need not be conflict of truths, but   
   obvioualy the topics need to be revised or improved upon to do so.   
      
   How this is done is for the future to see, and as an engineer, I would sa the   
   solution needs to be designed with detailed preceision.   
      
   With respect to war, well, innocents always die and Jesus doesn't smile in it,   
   but how many centuries of war based on religious conflict has the world   
   endured.? What is the solution, you geniuses? Not easy, I know.   
      
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