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   The Debts of Ishmael (1/2)   
   03 Dec 23 12:55:29   
   
   From: andronicus451@gmail.com   
      
   Leviticus 26   
   40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers,   
   with   
   their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have   
   walked contrary unto me; 41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them,   
   and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their   
   uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment   
   of their iniquity: 42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also   
   my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember;   
   and I will remember the land.   
      
   * * *   
      
   "Covenant with Abraham" also includes his firstborn son Ishmael,   
   with Egyptian slavegirl Hagar. As Ishmael had Egyptian mother and   
   she found him an Egyptian wife, his Arab descendants were 3/4   
   ancient Egyptian blood.   
      
   This is not just a myth, but a Biblical reality. Indeed, the LORD had   
   said "in Isaac shall be thy Seed", meaning the offspring. This is correct   
   as the line of prophets from Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Elijah, John the Baptist   
   and Lord Jesus Christ were all born from Isaac.   
      
   But the LORD God Creator promised to multiply Ishmael exceedingly   
   (Genesis 17:20). Indeed, in the times of 7th century, most Arabs and   
   the surrounding nations that are now Islam were idol worshippers.   
   They persisted in burying daughters alive as they wanted male offspring.   
   Such was the state of Ishmael that would make the LORD's promise   
   to Abraham invalid, as Ishmael's line degenerated into child sacrifice.   
   This required a Prophet.   
      
   But in the meantime, many errors were made in the name of the new   
   religion. The Prophet never intended to make a new religion, just   
   like Jesus only tried to return the Jews to the Law and Prophets.   
   Persecutions of the new Path made it impossible: Pharisees that   
   replaced the generation that admired child Jesus replying wisely   
   to all questions were now mere puppets of the Roman Empire and   
   dedicated to destroy the new "sect".   
      
   With Cornelius, the righteous Roman soldier who was God-fearing,   
   though he was a member of the occupation force, with him starts   
   Christianity as we know it - the Path among the Jews was eradicated   
   after the death of the first apostles.   
      
   Similar happened to Islam in the beginning, with schisms soon   
   after the Prophet's death.   
      
   The "golden age of Islam" that advanced trade, science and astronomy   
   seems to have ended somewhere between the Crusades and the   
   incoming of my Seldyuk ancestors who are also the ancestors of   
   the Ottoman Turks.   
      
   With the ascension of riffles and canons there came an end to chivalry   
   and knighthood.   
      
   By sole military power, Turkey become the flag-bearer of Islam for   
   centuries. It crumbled from within. Its own desire for beautiful women   
   made the sultan marry a wife that will give birth to a drunkard sultan.   
   From that point on, the decay over generations was ever more evident.   
      
   But among all the warfare, cruelty, impaling of the insurrected peoples,   
   one thing stands out as unnecessary blemish on generations: the   
   Armenian genocide. The official Turkish denial of the matter makes   
   things worse - it can be only perpetuated by persecution of the Turks   
   with conscience and wisdom. Turkey should be brave enough to come   
   clean with God Creator, whether we call Him just God, Jehovah or Allah,   
   and by the Scripture in Leviticus (which is binding through the Prophet   
   who recognised Torah [Tevrat], Prophets and Gospel [Injeel]) confess   
   the sins and iniquity of their fathers.   
      
   Eventually, facing the embarrassing past is the only way to return   
   to God, to one's own calling, and to come clean with God, returning   
   to the assembly of nations as an equal. As a friend and a protector,   
   but yes, now everyone can say: but you did this in 1915. Why are you   
   now objecting when we also deal with the overpopulation problem?   
      
   There is a line starting maybe at Gulf War One, continuing through   
   Bosnia and Kosovo, then after 9/11 Afghanistan and Iraq, then   
   Yemen, ... there is an ideology that demoted Islam from an Abrahamic   
   religion into a "moon god worship" with strong male sexual note   
   as if Muslims are natural rapists, and their sexual offences are   
   presumed guilty, they do not need to be proven at all. Especially   
   not in the court of law.   
      
   In this 30 years long losing streak, we must ask ourselves what   
   are we doing wrong, and why has God abandoned us?   
      
   Why are lives on Muslims 10 or 50 times less worthy than the lives   
   of Americans or Jews?   
      
   As the death toll increases in the last 30 years, the so-called   
   "islamophobia" rises in the number of its victims.   
      
   Was it really necessary to murder journalists over a cartoon?   
      
   Now journalists despite that bring the truth from Gaza strip,   
   as they had from Bosnia and Sarajevo.   
      
   What is the totalitarian guiding of religion doing is preventing its   
   self-examination, which makes it archaic and obsoleted after a couple   
   of centuries, when compared to religions who have new waves   
   and revivals and teachers from time to time, bringing new insights and   
   reevaluating the old ones.   
      
   One of the totalitarian measures that prevents the growth of monotheistic   
   faith is the death penalty for leaving it. Why, if it is true and only one   
   valid?   
   Are we running a Sicilian mob, so that everyone departing has to be   
   assassinated?   
      
   This is something that doesn't seem to be compatible with the teaching   
   of the Noble Qur'an that in faith there is no coercion or compulsion.   
   It was that way because the Prophet was concerned with the purity of   
   faith rather than geographical area it will occupy. Territorial and   
   generational   
   membership to religion is inferior to conversion and faith when compared   
   to "the vain tradition of fathers"   
      
   Is your faith so frail that you fear that masses would abandon it if   
   there was no death penalty for leaving it?   
      
   Are you so afraid to admit that 1915 your father made an error with   
   forced displacement of Armenians that brought maybe up to million   
   an half deaths? Whom are you afraid of? God knows everything,   
   anyway, for he is All-Hearer, All-Knower:   
      
   Al-Baqarah 2:137   
   So if they believe in the like of that which you believe, then they are rightly   
   guided, but if they turn away, then they are only in opposition. So Allah will   
   suffice you against them. And He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.   
      
   We do not believe that we can hide from God behind a tend wing,   
   and that God will never find out what we did. Everything is written   
   in the books, and the books will be opened on the Judgment Day.   
      
   This is the patience and the faith of the saints.   
      
   I quote apostle John because I believe we are in the Last Days.   
      
      
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