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|    The Debts of Ishmael (1/2)    |
|    03 Dec 23 12:55:29    |
      From: andronicus451@gmail.com              Leviticus 26       40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers,       with       their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have       walked contrary unto me; 41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them,       and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their       uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment       of their iniquity: 42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also       my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember;       and I will remember the land.              * * *              "Covenant with Abraham" also includes his firstborn son Ishmael,       with Egyptian slavegirl Hagar. As Ishmael had Egyptian mother and       she found him an Egyptian wife, his Arab descendants were 3/4       ancient Egyptian blood.              This is not just a myth, but a Biblical reality. Indeed, the LORD had       said "in Isaac shall be thy Seed", meaning the offspring. This is correct       as the line of prophets from Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Elijah, John the Baptist       and Lord Jesus Christ were all born from Isaac.              But the LORD God Creator promised to multiply Ishmael exceedingly       (Genesis 17:20). Indeed, in the times of 7th century, most Arabs and       the surrounding nations that are now Islam were idol worshippers.       They persisted in burying daughters alive as they wanted male offspring.       Such was the state of Ishmael that would make the LORD's promise       to Abraham invalid, as Ishmael's line degenerated into child sacrifice.       This required a Prophet.              But in the meantime, many errors were made in the name of the new       religion. The Prophet never intended to make a new religion, just       like Jesus only tried to return the Jews to the Law and Prophets.       Persecutions of the new Path made it impossible: Pharisees that       replaced the generation that admired child Jesus replying wisely       to all questions were now mere puppets of the Roman Empire and       dedicated to destroy the new "sect".              With Cornelius, the righteous Roman soldier who was God-fearing,       though he was a member of the occupation force, with him starts       Christianity as we know it - the Path among the Jews was eradicated       after the death of the first apostles.              Similar happened to Islam in the beginning, with schisms soon       after the Prophet's death.              The "golden age of Islam" that advanced trade, science and astronomy       seems to have ended somewhere between the Crusades and the       incoming of my Seldyuk ancestors who are also the ancestors of       the Ottoman Turks.              With the ascension of riffles and canons there came an end to chivalry       and knighthood.              By sole military power, Turkey become the flag-bearer of Islam for       centuries. It crumbled from within. Its own desire for beautiful women       made the sultan marry a wife that will give birth to a drunkard sultan.       From that point on, the decay over generations was ever more evident.              But among all the warfare, cruelty, impaling of the insurrected peoples,       one thing stands out as unnecessary blemish on generations: the       Armenian genocide. The official Turkish denial of the matter makes       things worse - it can be only perpetuated by persecution of the Turks       with conscience and wisdom. Turkey should be brave enough to come       clean with God Creator, whether we call Him just God, Jehovah or Allah,       and by the Scripture in Leviticus (which is binding through the Prophet       who recognised Torah [Tevrat], Prophets and Gospel [Injeel]) confess       the sins and iniquity of their fathers.              Eventually, facing the embarrassing past is the only way to return       to God, to one's own calling, and to come clean with God, returning       to the assembly of nations as an equal. As a friend and a protector,       but yes, now everyone can say: but you did this in 1915. Why are you       now objecting when we also deal with the overpopulation problem?              There is a line starting maybe at Gulf War One, continuing through       Bosnia and Kosovo, then after 9/11 Afghanistan and Iraq, then       Yemen, ... there is an ideology that demoted Islam from an Abrahamic       religion into a "moon god worship" with strong male sexual note       as if Muslims are natural rapists, and their sexual offences are       presumed guilty, they do not need to be proven at all. Especially       not in the court of law.              In this 30 years long losing streak, we must ask ourselves what       are we doing wrong, and why has God abandoned us?              Why are lives on Muslims 10 or 50 times less worthy than the lives       of Americans or Jews?              As the death toll increases in the last 30 years, the so-called       "islamophobia" rises in the number of its victims.              Was it really necessary to murder journalists over a cartoon?              Now journalists despite that bring the truth from Gaza strip,       as they had from Bosnia and Sarajevo.              What is the totalitarian guiding of religion doing is preventing its       self-examination, which makes it archaic and obsoleted after a couple       of centuries, when compared to religions who have new waves       and revivals and teachers from time to time, bringing new insights and       reevaluating the old ones.              One of the totalitarian measures that prevents the growth of monotheistic       faith is the death penalty for leaving it. Why, if it is true and only one       valid?       Are we running a Sicilian mob, so that everyone departing has to be       assassinated?              This is something that doesn't seem to be compatible with the teaching       of the Noble Qur'an that in faith there is no coercion or compulsion.       It was that way because the Prophet was concerned with the purity of       faith rather than geographical area it will occupy. Territorial and       generational       membership to religion is inferior to conversion and faith when compared       to "the vain tradition of fathers"              Is your faith so frail that you fear that masses would abandon it if       there was no death penalty for leaving it?              Are you so afraid to admit that 1915 your father made an error with       forced displacement of Armenians that brought maybe up to million       an half deaths? Whom are you afraid of? God knows everything,       anyway, for he is All-Hearer, All-Knower:              Al-Baqarah 2:137       So if they believe in the like of that which you believe, then they are rightly       guided, but if they turn away, then they are only in opposition. So Allah will       suffice you against them. And He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.              We do not believe that we can hide from God behind a tend wing,       and that God will never find out what we did. Everything is written       in the books, and the books will be opened on the Judgment Day.              This is the patience and the faith of the saints.              I quote apostle John because I believe we are in the Last Days.                     [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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