From: andronicus451@gmail.com   
      
   Dana nedjelja, 3. prosinca 2023. u 18:34:15 UTC+1 korisnik Lazarus Cain   
   napisao je:   
   > On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 10:22:20 AM UTC-6, Lazarus Cain wrote:    
   > > On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 3:19:54 PM UTC-6, Raskolynikov wrote:    
   > > > P.P.S.    
   > > >    
   > > > Regarding the rockets indiscriminately fired upon the Israeli civilians,   
   killing some 1,400, I believe that they (Hamas) were misguided.    
   > > >    
   > > > Al-Maidah 5:45    
   > > > We ordained for them in the Torah, “A life for a life, an eye for an   
   eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth—and for   
   wounds equal retaliation.” But whoever waives it charitably, it will be   
   atonement for them. And those    
   who do not judge by what Allah has revealed are ˹truly˺ the wrongdoers.    
   > > >    
   > > > This "life for a life" never meant murdering innocent persons at random.   
   It was meant to be settled by the elders and the judges. Noble Qur'an has zero   
   tolerance for the "collateral damage". Even when it always happened in the   
   history, it was not    
   justified by the faith, but a "haram" deed (sin). Before 1914, the armies   
   would usually array against each other on the battlefield, and one side would   
   take victory. Though there were sieges of cities, raids and plunders on the   
   villages, in the last    
   century or so, the most of the victims are civilian casualties, starting with   
   carpet bombing and not ending with nuclear weapons and napalm.    
   > > > Al-Nisa 4:112    
   > > > And whoever commits an evil or sinful deed then blames it on an innocent   
   person, they will definitely bear the guilt of slander and blatant sin.    
   > > >    
   > > > Al-Kahf 18:74    
   > > > So they proceeded until they came across a boy, and the man killed him.   
   Moses protested, “Have you killed an innocent soul, who killed no one? You   
   have certainly done a horrible thing.”    
   > > > In this conflict between IDF and Hamas, it appears that 90% or more   
   casualties are civilian, mainly due to despicable attitude of the Israelis   
   towards the value of the life of a Palestinians child.    
   > > >    
   > > > However, since the Sabra and Shatila massacre in 1982, when IDF tanks   
   commanded by the defence minister Ariel Sharon (later elected PM - which   
   coincided with the rise of Hamas) surrounded the Palestinian refugee camp and   
   left the slaughter to the    
   Lebanese "Christian" Phalangists in revenge to a murder of their leader   
   allegedly by the PLO ... Palestinians might be entitled to their own defence   
   forces and a self-defence militia. Hamas is only labeled as a terrorist   
   organisation by some political    
   parties, recognised as legitimate organistation by the others, yet shows the   
   traits of a political subject that can be negotiated with in the hardest   
   possible circumstances where they were tested.    
   > > >    
   > > > in the LORD God Merciful, Almighty    
   > > > Amen    
   > > The problem with quoting scripture is the ambiguity resulting from   
   cherrypicking.    
   > >    
   > > This is why I prefer to use only the quotes alleged to be those of Jesus   
   for my solid beliefs. So easy to understand that a child can do it.    
   > >    
   > > Do not associate me with military might. I am simply a poor, weak, old man   
   due to face GOD in a few years.    
   > >    
   > > I am aware of the problem with nuclear weapons, but will they ever go   
   away?    
   > >    
   > > I am aware of the problem with disputes, but how do we find common ground   
   when we cannot find common shared beliefs.    
   > >    
   > > How good is one's education? What kind of sciencesand logic did you learn   
   and howdid you resolve that with religious faith.    
   > >    
   > > Yes, it is hard to have religious faith and also to be excellent at math   
   and science, but it can be done. There need not be conflict of truths, but   
   obvioualy the topics need to be revised or improved upon to do so.    
   > >    
   > > How this is done is for the future to see, and as an engineer, I would sa   
   the solution needs to be designed with detailed preceision.    
   > >    
   > > With respect to war, well, innocents always die and Jesus doesn't smile in   
   it, but how many centuries of war based on religious conflict has the world   
   endured.? What is the solution, you geniuses? Not easy, I know.   
   > To be realistic, an interesting solution would be to have Turkish troops as   
   representatives of NATO to occupy Gaza for ten years as the internatinal   
   community helps Gaza rebuild into a stable community.    
   > Some would think that UN could provide security, but I do not see UN as   
   having the available manpower.    
   > Certainly Palestinians would prefer Turks to Israelis as the peackeepers as   
   the community rebuilds the ability to sustain and givern itself in peace with   
   her neighbor.    
   > NATO/Israel would secure free passage and trade betweeen the West Bank and   
   Gaza.    
   >    
   > We need a realistic plan as to what occurs after the fighting has stopped.    
   > Everyone criticizes but who offers a realistic solution?    
   >    
   > I have yet to read a good solution from anyone    
   >    
   > What is the plan to rebuild after one has lost a war one started? Who will   
   pay to feed the Gazans and who will lend the money to Gaza to rebuild?    
   > Do not expect US nor Israel to finance. US has other concerns of greater   
   priority to borrow money to pay for.   
      
   The idea of Turkey's peace corps sounds intriguing.   
      
   If Israel is charged and convicted of a war crime in the court of Law, they   
   will be liable to pay reparation, Holy Land or not.   
      
   One is for sure, is that future Gaza infrastructure has to be resilient   
   against the Israeli disrupting it. This is an engineering   
   challenge because it is a long area. Gaza should also have a clean exit to the   
   Mediterranean Sea, which is now blocked   
   by walls and Gaza is really a larger jail or a concentration camp.   
      
   It seems that Israelis are deliberately dropping leaflets declaring certain   
   areas safe havens, and then launching   
   bombing campaign on those exact areas.   
      
   I believe there is a taste of a superior race fighting for its rightfully   
   claimed "Lebensraum" based on ancient myths   
   and racial superiority.   
      
   in the LORD   
   Amen   
      
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