From: andronicus451@gmail.com   
      
   Dana ponedjeljak, 4. prosinca 2023. u 18:00:15 UTC+1 korisnik Lazarus Cain   
   napisao je:   
   > On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 12:06:11 PM UTC-6, Raskolynikov wrote:    
   > > Dana nedjelja, 3. prosinca 2023. u 18:34:15 UTC+1 korisnik Lazarus Cain   
   napisao je:    
   > > > On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 10:22:20 AM UTC-6, Lazarus Cain wrote:    
   > > > > On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 3:19:54 PM UTC-6, Raskolynikov   
   wrote:    
   > > > > > P.P.S.    
   > > > > >    
   > > > > > Regarding the rockets indiscriminately fired upon the Israeli   
   civilians, killing some 1,400, I believe that they (Hamas) were misguided.    
   > > > > >    
   > > > > > Al-Maidah 5:45    
   > > > > > We ordained for them in the Torah, “A life for a life, an eye for   
   an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth—and for   
   wounds equal retaliation.” But whoever waives it charitably, it will be   
   atonement for them. And    
   those who do not judge by what Allah has revealed are ˹truly˺ the   
   wrongdoers.    
   > > > > >    
   > > > > > This "life for a life" never meant murdering innocent persons at   
   random. It was meant to be settled by the elders and the judges. Noble Qur'an   
   has zero tolerance for the "collateral damage". Even when it always happened   
   in the history, it was    
   not justified by the faith, but a "haram" deed (sin). Before 1914, the armies   
   would usually array against each other on the battlefield, and one side would   
   take victory. Though there were sieges of cities, raids and plunders on the   
   villages, in the last    
   century or so, the most of the victims are civilian casualties, starting with   
   carpet bombing and not ending with nuclear weapons and napalm.    
   > > > > > Al-Nisa 4:112    
   > > > > > And whoever commits an evil or sinful deed then blames it on an   
   innocent person, they will definitely bear the guilt of slander and blatant   
   sin.    
   > > > > >    
   > > > > > Al-Kahf 18:74    
   > > > > > So they proceeded until they came across a boy, and the man killed   
   him. Moses protested, “Have you killed an innocent soul, who killed no one?   
   You have certainly done a horrible thing.”    
   > > > > > In this conflict between IDF and Hamas, it appears that 90% or more   
   casualties are civilian, mainly due to despicable attitude of the Israelis   
   towards the value of the life of a Palestinians child.    
   > > > > >    
   > > > > > However, since the Sabra and Shatila massacre in 1982, when IDF   
   tanks commanded by the defence minister Ariel Sharon (later elected PM - which   
   coincided with the rise of Hamas) surrounded the Palestinian refugee camp and   
   left the slaughter to    
   the Lebanese "Christian" Phalangists in revenge to a murder of their leader   
   allegedly by the PLO ... Palestinians might be entitled to their own defence   
   forces and a self-defence militia. Hamas is only labeled as a terrorist   
   organisation by some    
   political parties, recognised as legitimate organistation by the others, yet   
   shows the traits of a political subject that can be negotiated with in the   
   hardest possible circumstances where they were tested.    
   > > > > >    
   > > > > > in the LORD God Merciful, Almighty    
   > > > > > Amen    
   > > > > The problem with quoting scripture is the ambiguity resulting from   
   cherrypicking.    
   > > > >    
   > > > > This is why I prefer to use only the quotes alleged to be those of   
   Jesus for my solid beliefs. So easy to understand that a child can do it.    
   > > > >    
   > > > > Do not associate me with military might. I am simply a poor, weak, old   
   man due to face GOD in a few years.    
   > > > >    
   > > > > I am aware of the problem with nuclear weapons, but will they ever go   
   away?    
   > > > >    
   > > > > I am aware of the problem with disputes, but how do we find common   
   ground when we cannot find common shared beliefs.    
   > > > >    
   > > > > How good is one's education? What kind of sciencesand logic did you   
   learn and howdid you resolve that with religious faith.    
   > > > >    
   > > > > Yes, it is hard to have religious faith and also to be excellent at   
   math and science, but it can be done. There need not be conflict of truths,   
   but obvioualy the topics need to be revised or improved upon to do so.    
   > > > >    
   > > > > How this is done is for the future to see, and as an engineer, I would   
   sa the solution needs to be designed with detailed preceision.    
   > > > >    
   > > > > With respect to war, well, innocents always die and Jesus doesn't   
   smile in it, but how many centuries of war based on religious conflict has the   
   world endured.? What is the solution, you geniuses? Not easy, I know.    
   > > > To be realistic, an interesting solution would be to have Turkish troops   
   as representatives of NATO to occupy Gaza for ten years as the internatinal   
   community helps Gaza rebuild into a stable community.    
   > > > Some would think that UN could provide security, but I do not see UN as   
   having the available manpower.    
   > > > Certainly Palestinians would prefer Turks to Israelis as the peackeepers   
   as the community rebuilds the ability to sustain and givern itself in peace   
   with her neighbor.    
   > > > NATO/Israel would secure free passage and trade betweeen the West Bank   
   and Gaza.    
   > > >    
   > > > We need a realistic plan as to what occurs after the fighting has   
   stopped.    
   > > > Everyone criticizes but who offers a realistic solution?    
   > > >    
   > > > I have yet to read a good solution from anyone    
   > > >    
   > > > What is the plan to rebuild after one has lost a war one started? Who   
   will pay to feed the Gazans and who will lend the money to Gaza to rebuild?    
   > > > Do not expect US nor Israel to finance. US has other concerns of greater   
   priority to borrow money to pay for.    
   > > The idea of Turkey's peace corps sounds intriguing.    
   > >    
   > > If Israel is charged and convicted of a war crime in the court of Law,   
   they will be liable to pay reparation, Holy Land or not.    
   > >    
   > > One is for sure, is that future Gaza infrastructure has to be resilient   
   against the Israeli disrupting it. This is an engineering    
   > > challenge because it is a long area. Gaza should also have a clean exit to   
   the Mediterranean Sea, which is now blocked    
   > > by walls and Gaza is really a larger jail or a concentration camp.    
   > >    
   > > It seems that Israelis are deliberately dropping leaflets declaring   
   certain areas safe havens, and then launching    
   > > bombing campaign on those exact areas.    
   > >    
   > > I believe there is a taste of a superior race fighting for its rightfully   
   claimed "Lebensraum" based on ancient myths    
      
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