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|    In Spirit And In Truth (1/2)    |
|    16 Dec 23 14:16:37    |
      From: andronicus451@gmail.com              John 4:23       But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship       the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.              * * *              What is the problem with the religions, and why the religious people are       often considered as the worst ones when compared with the atheists?              When we come to Biblical Israel, the tribe members were born in the       faith in God of Abraham, Israel and Jacob, and would suffer penalty       up to the stoning if preaching other gods.              In Christianity, there were radical measures to extinguish "pagan temples"       and heresies, using bloodshed and only to replace them with the generations       of people who did not wash.              In Islam, it is still punishable with death if someone leaves Islam.              This is why nobody abandons the religions, because they would have to       leave their zone of comfort. They simply degrade to a state of not believing       and keeping formal traditions, customs and empty sacraments without       the Holy Spirit of God. Often doing everything that atheists do, under       the excuse of grace.              The more their gruesome crimes increased, the more they insisted that       the are infallible, they have the key to reexamining the faith, and everything       else is heresy.              But this is no longer good enough for our Saviour.              What I heard today is would be want to live in a world that is not based       on the law and evidence, but on a personal opinion, experience and feelings?       Where a jury could condemn us to death based on how they FEEL       towards us, our political group, ethnicity or religion, rather than evidence       that we have committed any crime deserving death?              We need to base our faith on spiritual evidence. The established religions       have some source that is not based on human reasoning from the material       world but is supernatural: we see that both Moses and Jesus had       supernatural help in their ministry. With miracles that the pharaoh's priests       could not repeat, but they had to admit that it is the finger of God.              Ground up, it did not work. Atheist scientist failed to discover the       Creator from His Creation, and they believe in the "Blind Watchmaker"       building a complex watch with over fifty precise gears.              God doesn't want to force people to stay in faith by fear of death       or even the fear of Hell. The worshipper in Spirit and in truth would       first love God for what He is.              We would not really be pleased with a girl who would only love us       for our property, then get rid of us and bring another guy into our apartment,       and have bastard children?              Would we still be pleased with a woman who would not do this only       because of what the neighbours and the village might say, but otherwise       she sees no fault in conceiving with man who is not her husband while       she is married, and whom we'd need to have surveillance over for the       entire life?              God also would not bring such person into Heaven or Paradise, for faith       only our of fear of men or fear of death is of no value. This is why God       not only does not keep us in faith by fear, but also allows the enemy       to tempt us.              Hebrews 11:6       But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God       must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek       him.              Diligently seeking God ... what does it mean if one is in God's chosen people,       but keeps hating and killing and deceiving to get gold and wealth?       Is he superior to a Hindu teacher who seeks enlightenment and peace,       and lives modestly, only with the necessities for life?              James 1:26-27       26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue,       but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain. 27 Pure religion and       undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and       widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.              1 Peter 4:18       And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the       sinner appear?              What is really making up for a true religion and spiritual path, that makes       them different from the false ones, useless ones, and the beliefs that       come from the enemy of our souls?              However cruel this might sound, God and Jesus allow false prophets       and false messiahs to come and deceive many - 1. to tests us, and       2. because we must learn spiritual discernment and critical thinking.              1 Corinthians 11:19       For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved       may be made manifest among you.              So God doesn't want burning of the heretics, honour murders of those       who abandon faith nor he censorship of "false news", he wants a generation who       will love Him for what He is - the Creator of life and Saviour from the       slavery of sin, death and Hades - and faithfully and critically reject all       others.              Worship of material idols eventually brings misery, the ultimate form       being the worship of machines, giant factories and the politicians -       and sacrificing for them.              Eventually, without true religion as the means of reconciliation, mankind       can only seek into deeper corruption, as there is no way of climbing up       after a fall, one can only fall deeper, and the Unmerciful one hates       the one who resist sin, makes them the worst sinners, and binds them       tighter into its slavery.              The true religion should be any that leads back, returning the soul to       the Creator. Worshiping female sexuality, male sexuality, human sacrifice,       or money, gold and wealth obviously do not count (Astarot, Baal, Moloch       and Mammon respectively).              There are also pointless superstitions such as choosing the statue of       a golden calf for to reach Heaven and making golems for delivery.       All of that miserably failed, again and again.              While we should fear God, it should not be the wrong kind of fear       as of the angry old man who watches every single move of ours, fault       finding.              But it doesn't even mean that we "do as we will".              The true path is somewhere in between.              The moment faith becomes institutionalised, the enemy starts to work       to convert it into his instrument, and bring his evil children on top.       They will not be called children of devil but i.e. "holy inquisition".              Religious institution without the Spirit of God is as useful for salvation of       the soul as an empty canister can not quench thirst if there is no water       left in it.              Being a member of an institutional religion is as useful for the       soul as being a permanent member of a pub: good people in a pub       remain good, and mean people in the pub remain evil - yet nobody is       converted more often than it happens with complete atheists.              in the LORD God Merciful, Longsuffering       Amen              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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