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   Raskolynikov to All   
   Re: Grandfather Paradox (1/2)   
   10 Feb 24 06:41:30   
   
   From: andronicus451@gmail.com   
      
   Dana subota, 10. veljaÄ   
   e 2024. u 15:03:20 UTC+1 korisnik Lazarus Cain napisao je:   
   > On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 10:05:16 AM UTC-6, Raskolynikov wrote:    
   > > Physicists like Steven Hawking complained about the property of    
   > > Cosmos and time called the "cosmic censorship". This mean that    
   > > the objects and the information cannot travel back in time.    
   > >    
   > > What would happen in we could?    
   > >    
   > > Typically, the paradox speaks about someone travelling back in time    
   > > to accidentally or purposefully kill his great-grandfather before he    
   > > begot his grandfather. But this would have the effect that his    
   > > grandfather would not have been born, so not his father, and not him.    
   > > So unlike "Back to the Future", he would immediately stop existing the    
   > > moment his great-grandfather died. But then he would not exist at all in   
   the    
   > > timeline, and he could not kill his great-grandfather, so his grandfather,    
   > > his father and him would be again be born, but then he would repeat the    
   > > cycle, being able to kill his great-grandfather again.    
   > >    
   > > Now, depending on the effect of great-grandfather, grandfather, father and    
   > > the time traveler on mankind, the large parts of mankind would remain    
   > > in quantum existing and non-existing state at the same time.    
   > >    
   > > In the theory of a simulated Universe or a Multiverse on a supercomputer   
   of    
   > > great power ran by some higher civilisation or being, this would   
   eventually    
   > > overload material projectors confused whether to generate certain parts    
   > > of simulation or not, potentially leading to the collapse of simulation as    
   > > a whole.    
   > >    
   > > A large part of the mankind and earth, depending on the life influence    
   > > of this family line, would become unstable, forever existing and non-    
   > > existing in the state of being or not.    
   > >    
   > > It is possible that in an infinite number of Universes in the Multiverse    
   > > simulation, all simulations that did not prohibit traveling backward in    
   > > time collapsed, so our argument of cosmic censorship is athrophocentric:    
   > > in all (or most) of the Universes that did to prohibit travel back in time    
   > > someone tried to fix the past or the future and annihilated himself and    
   > > the Universe in the process.    
   > >    
   > > How could that be? You could argue that only a couple of people would    
   > > kill his father, grandfather or great-grandfather or other ancestor,    
   > > and that they deserve all that happens to them, even being erased from    
   > > the timeline forever?    
   > >    
   > > But maybe it could be done for the greater good?    
   > >    
   > > Imagine, I saw the other day the article titled: "You could actually kill    
   > > young Hitler before he causes WW2" implying some young politician.    
   > >    
   > > Now, what would be the implications of traveling back in time to    
   > > kill Hitler i.e. in WW1, before he ever conceived WW2 or concentration    
   > > camps? But then again, this person's parents or grandparents would    
   > > never meet in this other timeline - again zapping him from existence.    
   > > Considering the impact of Adolph Hitler on the known world and mankind,    
   > > the vast majority of the world would stuck flip-flopping forever in a    
   > > quantum state of simultaneously existing and not existing.    
   > >    
   > > In a case of simulated earth, this would surely overload and collapse    
   > > simulation, but even in the case of quantum Universe this would    
   > > impact serious implications, creating a "Schröddinger Universe,    
   > > forever existing and not-existing in the state of existing and    
   > > not existing until being observed by a higher entity.    
   > >    
   > > Eventually, the simulation would be restored by erasing the    
   > > time-traveling murderer himself from the existence rather than Hitler,    
   > > which would be explanation why we do not see such an effect.    
   > >    
   > > The second explanation is that the other reality in which we would    
   > > zap ourselves from the existence occurs as "deja-vu" or changing    
   > > our mind, after being fixed by the Time Guardians, in which our action    
   > > was not deserving to erase us from the timeline, but we need some    
   > > memory not to repeat it again and again, for the stability sake.    
   > >    
   > > in the name of the LORD God Merciful, Longsuffering    
   > > Amen   
   > I think "Edge of Tomorrow" if the possibility of time travel actuall   
   possible, and if so, the trigger could be similar to a "Rapture".    
   > Juspt speculating the theory, and we would be left clues, I suppose.    
   > Could help explaining the phenomena, "prophecy", and related.    
   > Just speculating.    
   > View consciousness and presence of "free" or unbound resonant electrical   
   charge which is reactive to immediate electric fields.    
   > Animals require burning or consumption of food to keep the fire of free or   
   unbounded electrical charge. Think of bound electric chargw as electrons in   
   related atomic orbit, and animals free electrons from food to be conscious and   
   direct own elctrical    
   energy obtained from the feeding. Nutrient also acquired by feeding, but life   
   is in te electrical activity, moment by moment of the animal.    
   > We humans have hands and have now created computers that we can teach to   
   think following the laws of logic allowed by the machine thinking.    
   > Now, computers have more memory than an individual mind can manage so we   
   have thoughts to have machines process the management in cooperation with the   
   rules the human mind instructs. Contro is the key, and there is a science to   
   electric or electronic    
   control.s. GOD has spared the animal and man to use our heads without knowing   
   the actual design of our bodies. We learn to manage through trial and error.   
   Science sometimes allows us to not go the trial and error route. Sometimes   
   that is necessary. It is    
   then we rely on machines and the minds to teach them, else for normal life   
   activities we are given the grace of trial and error and forgiveness for our   
   mistakes.    
   > Just try not to be to stupid and do not be brainwashed by excessive   
   government over reach.    
   > If we totally fuck up, Oh well, start over and try again. But from where? .   
   . . The beginning? . . . Which beginning?    
      
   There is also a possibility of a fatal mistake that causes death or terminal   
   damage to lives or property.   
      
   The systems had various ways to deal with such: one is by training and   
   exercise, lifelong learning.   
      
   The other was that those who made an error were simply slain.   
      
      
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