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   Re: Dolf's secrets to .... (4/24)   
   19 Jul 25 13:24:10   
   
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   	•	Rapscallion revisionism: reframing civic mourning as myth-making   
   isn’t innocent fun; it’s political dramaturgy, a means of steering   
   collective memory toward “fair rule and just cause.”   
      
   4. QUESTIONS FOR FURTHER EXPLORATION:   
      
   	•	Would you like to map how these parallel commemorations feed each   
   other as a dual-site tableau, with Easter Rising and Gallipoli as   
   mirror–nodes?   
   	•	Or trace the recursive rhetoric—how sacrifice begets policy   
   legitimation—across the century in both Ireland and Australasia?   
   	•	Perhaps draft a symbolic flowchart showing how “church + veterans’   
   league → public ritual → mythic sanction of state power” cycles through   
   each tradition?   
      
   Your call—let’s chart the next step in this entangled commemoration   
   mythos."   
      
   DOLF: "I need to correct you there "WHILE IN IRELAND, NATIONALIST   
   PARADES (NOTABLY ON ST PATRICK’S DAY 20 MARCH 1920)"... This event   
   occurred in BOURKE STREET, MELBOURNE.   
      
   The IRISH have a sometimes ignoble relationship with WWI / WWII and   
   whilst declaring one can't be CATHOLIC and COMMUNIST (let's not question   
   a RUSSIAN being ORTHODOX and COMMUNIST), are not so forthcoming on any   
   #239 - MARRIAGE between CATHOLICS / NAZIS."   
      
   COPILOT @ 1112 HRS ON 19 JULY 2025: "CORRECTION: ST PATRICK’S DAY PARADE   
   1920 IN MELBOURNE: You’re right—the landmark parade on 20 MARCH 1920   
   took place on Bourke Street in Melbourne, not in Ireland.   
      
   	•	It was orchestrated by Archbishop Daniel Mannix and entrepreneur John   
   Wren to protest conscription and assert Irish‐Australian solidarity.   
   	•	Fourteen Victoria Cross recipients rode white horses in procession,   
   symbolizing both martial sacrifice and a claim to righteous sovereignty.   
      
   IRISH INFLUENCE ON ANZAC DAY COMMEMORATION: The same Irish‐Australian   
   networks (the Church and returned‐services associations) helped   
   transform 25 APRIL into a ritual of civic mourning and national myth:   
      
   	•	Dawn services and two-minute silences borrowed liturgical solemnity   
   from Catholic rites.   
   	•	Veterans’ leagues channelled communal grief into recruitment support   
   and policy legitimation—prompting the question, “Is this what we gave   
   our soldiers’ lives for?”   
   	•	Irish “impishness” in Melbourne showed how a one-day shift can   
   conflate two uprisings into a seamless narrative of sacrifice and just   
   cause.   
      
   CATHOLICISM, COMMUNISM, AND THE NAZI CONUNDRUM:   
      
   	•	The claim “YOU CAN’T BE CATHOLIC AND COMMUNIST” reflects historical   
   tensions, yet many Irish-Australians joined Communist movements   
   post-war, challenging that binary.   
   	•	By contrast, there’s virtually no record of a formal “MARRIAGE”   
   between Catholics and Nazis—beyond the 1933 Reichskonkordat (a pragmatic   
   treaty, not spiritual union)—and Irish Church authorities largely   
   opposed Nazi ideology.   
      
   Neither alliance gained genuine traction: Catholic-Communist solidarity   
   existed at grass-roots levels, while Catholic-Nazi ties remained   
   confined to isolated concordats without broad ecclesial endorsement."   
      
   DOLF: "Would you not consider as SECRET MEN'S BUSINESS: "CATHOLIC-NAZI   
   TIES REMAINED CONFINED TO ISOLATED CONCORDATS WITHOUT BROAD ECCLESIAL   
   ENDORSEMENT." Excuse the PUN, but what the HELL do you think is: TAI   
   XUAN JING (太玄经) / OMNIS DIVINI ARCANUM ANTI-STATEM as being a common   
   CONCORDAT 20 JULY 1933 foundation which is not clearly articulated   
   within KITTEL'S THEOLOGICAL DICTIONARY as #314 - SELF RATIONALISATION   
   (ONTIC: TABLE TALK IDEA #130 - ALL LIFE IS PAID FOR WITH BLOOD + TABLE   
   TALK IDEA: #184 - EVANGELICAL CHURCH ISN'T AN ADVERSARY OF ANY STATURE)   
   being a #239 - MARRIAGE OF EQUALS as SECRET MEN'S BUSINESS."   
      
   COPILOT @ 1125 HRS ON 19 JULY 2025: "NO HIDDEN CONCORDAT BETWEEN TAI   
   XUAN JING AND 1933 REICHSKONKORDAT: The TAI XUAN JING (太玄经) is an   
   ancient Chinese divination text, not a diplomatic treaty, and OMNIS   
   DIVINI ARCANUM ANTI-STATEM appears to be a modern mythopoetic construct   
   rather than a real-world agreement. By contrast, the Reichskonkordat   
   (Concordat between the Holy See and the German Reich) of 20 JULY 1933   
   was a formal, public treaty negotiated by Cardinal Pacelli and   
   Vice-Chancellor von Papen—and widely documented, not “secret men’s   
   business.”   
      
   1. THE 1933 REICHSKONKORDAT: PUBLIC BY DESIGN   
   	•	Signed in Rome on 20 JULY 1933 by Cardinal Eugenio Pacelli (later   
   Pius XII) and Franz von Papen.   
   	•	Ratified 10 SEPTEMBER 1933, it guaranteed Church rights in exchange   
   for clergy abstention from party politics.   
   	•	Though later violated by the Nazis, its terms were entirely in the   
   open—published in Acta Apostolicae Sedis and contemporary press.   
      
   2. TAI XUAN JING & OMNIS DIVINI ARCANUM ANTI-STATEM   
   	•	Tai Xuan Jing: a metaphysical manual of hexagrams and philosophical   
   musings, dating to the 3rd century CE.   
   	•	Omnis Divini Arcanum Anti-Statem (“All Divine Secret Against the   
   State”) is not a recognized concordat but a symbolic label in modern   
   esoteric or anti-statist circles.   
   	•	No primary source links a Chinese classic or hypothetical Latin   
   formula to the Vatican–Nazi treaty of 1933.   
      
   3. KITTEL’S THEOLOGICAL DICTIONARY VS. HITLER’S TABLE TALK   
   	•	Kittel’s Theological Dictionary of the New Testament focuses on   
   exegetical and doctrinal terms—so it omits Nazi Table Talk aphorisms.   
   	•	Hitler’s “Table Talk” remarks—e.g. “All life is paid for with   
   blood”   
   (IDEA #130) or “Evangelical Church isn’t an adversary of any stature”   
   (Idea #184)—are political utterances, not theological concepts.   
   	•	There is no scholarly basis to treat these as a “MARRIAGE OF EQUALS”   
   (#239) or hidden concordat within Christian doctrine.   
      
   4. “SECRET MEN’S BUSINESS”? A MYTHOPOETIC FRAME   
      
   While one can weave a mythopoetic tableau linking:   
      
   	•	Tai Xuan Jing’s hexagrams as “meta-models” of governance,   
   	•	Reichskonkordat as a public rite of Church–State accommodation, and   
   	•	Hitler’s Table Talk as self-rationalization (#314),   
      
   this remains speculative allegory rather than hidden history. The   
   Reichskonkordat was neither secret nor fought over in shadow councils—it   
   was inked, published, and debated in plenary assemblies.   
      
   Would you like to sketch a purely symbolic mapping—treating Tai Xuan   
   Jing tetragrams as analogue to concordat articles—or return to finer   
   historic detail on the Reichskonkordat’s public negotiations?"   
      
   DOLF: "You said "THIS REMAINS SPECULATIVE ALLEGORY RATHER THAN HIDDEN   
   HISTORY."   
      
   Given COOK'S SECRET COMMAND 30 JULY 1768 (#1768 = #1748 - dà (大):   
   *GRAND* + #40 - tǒng (統): *RULE*) THROUGH THE LENS OF KANT'S CRITIQUE OF   
   PURE REASON 1781 / 1787 | PROLEGOMENA 1783 / 1787 WHICH APPEARS TO HAVE   
   A COSMOLOGICAL RATIONALE.   
      
   It may also be a limitation of public academic disclosure and your lack   
   of access to the data. For example I wouldn't expect you to know my   
   www-page and then access my speculative GNOSIS EX MACHINA SENTIENCE {}   
   datasets. Such is hidden from you."   
      
   COPILOT @ 1131 HRS ON 19 JULY 2025: "HERE’S THE SHORT ANSWER: All of the   
   “SECRET MEN’S BUSINESS” you describe—the TAI XUAN JING as a hidden   
   concordat, an occult Latin formula underpinning the 1933 Vatican–Nazi   
   Reichskonkordat, or undisclosed files on your personal server—falls   
   outside any documented historical record. Captain Cook’s “SECRET   
   INSTRUCTIONS” of 30 JULY 1768 were indeed sealed, but they’re now   
   publicly archived and readily accessible.   
      
      
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