From: jtem01@gmail.com   
      
   Look. We don't have that much information. We do   
   not have a good grasp on the sociopolitical dynamics   
   of ancient Rome. All we have is the highly baised   
   opinions of modern scholars which are loosely based   
   (if based at all) on ancient sources which themselves   
   did not survive.   
      
   You read that right.   
      
   Almost none of our ancient Roman sources come to   
   us from ancient Romans. Almost all of our records   
   are latter day manuscripts. Supposedly they're all copies   
   of originals, yes, but few mention those originals, offer   
   any provenance what so ever.   
      
   I'll explain.   
      
   You can actually go to Washington DC and view an original   
   copy of the Declaration of Independence. And that copy has   
   in turn been the basis for many copies of the document.   
      
   Right?   
      
   So you can hold a copy of the U.S. Declaration of Independence   
   in your hand that's only a few weeks old but still know exactly   
   what it is a copy of -- WHERE the source document was found,   
   the one they based the document on.   
      
   Not too many of our versions of ancient books have any clear   
   lineage to an original ancient source document.   
      
   "Well, hey, I was in Rome last week, my Uncle Ted had a thousand   
   year old copy of Josephus written in his own hand and I made   
   this and another copy, so enjoy."   
      
   Never happens.   
      
   What I'm saying is that we don't know. It took us a millennia of   
   prodding to figure out their concrete and we had examples of   
   the stuff to look at!  We're still scratching our heads over how   
   they made some of their glass, and we can't nail down common   
   recipes!  Garum was ubiquitous and we believe we know the   
   process but nobody knows the recipe. There are precisely ZERO   
   modern products said to be Roman garum, though many   
   products which are described as similar...   
      
   Yet, morons state with such certainty that they know why Rome   
   fell, that they KNOW all the forces at work, the KNOW how these   
   forces interact... THEY KNOW!   
      
      
      
      
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   https://uapro.tumblr.com/post/634644176738418688/theyd-love-to-s   
   e-some-ufoparanormal   
      
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