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|    Dawn Flood to erik simpson    |
|    Re: Has the history of human evolution b    |
|    30 Sep 25 20:49:09    |
      XPost: sci.bio.paleontology, sci.anthropology.paleo, sci.archaeology       XPost: sci.anthropology, alt.atheism       From: Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com              On 9/30/2025 5:17 PM, erik simpson wrote:       > On 9/29/25 9:53 PM, David Dalton wrote:       >> Here is a post by Julian on alt.buddha.short.fat.guy       >> of a text by Mike Pitts.       >> --------------------------------------       >> A new report from the field of human origins had sub-editors reaching       >> for their hyperboles. A million-year-old skull, we have learnt, has       >> rewritten humanity’s story. The finality of this is misleading, but       >> there is nonetheless something going on here.       >>       >> For decades, Chinese archaeologists have been investigating a site known       >> as Yunxian, beside a tributary of the Yangtze river. The researchers       >> have been rewarded with human fossils – to date, three skulls around a       >> million years old. These bones have been preserved well but the skulls       >> have been crushed. As a result, comparing them with other fossils, and       >> therefore finding exactly which species they might represent, has been a       >> challenge.       >>       >> The skulls are broken, but not distorted: most of the right bits are in       >> the right shape, just not in the right places. In a new study, published       >> in the journal Science, a dozen Chinese archaeologists and scientists       >> joined by Chris Stringer of London’s Natural History Museum, claim to       >> have overcome this difficulty using cutting edge digital imaging and       >> computer modelling to put them back together again. After doing so, they       >> have revealed that a nearly complete skull found in 1990 is something no       >> one had predicted: a creature that suggests our own family tree, made up       >> of Homo Sapiens, is twice as old as previously thought. What’s more,       >> this early ancestor of ours was walking around Asia, but apparently not       >> Africa. How did we get here? And what does it tell us about ourselves?       >>       >> It has long been agreed that humanity’s deep origins lie in Africa. A       >> major genetic study released earlier this year found that humans and our       >> chimpanzee ancestors separated from each other a little over five or six       >> million years ago. What happened next on our side has become complex, if       >> not downright confusing. The number of apparent species, and which parts       >> of Africa, Europe or Asia they occupied and when, has come under       >> constant scrutiny.       >>       >> The first close human lookalike appeared in Africa around two million       >> years ago in the form of Homo erectus. Humans soon spread into – or       >> appeared as related species in – parts of Europe and much of Asia.       >> Making sense of the rare and fragmentary fossil evidence has been helped       >> by genetic studies, which have confirmed the later and simultaneous       >> presence of three species across Eurasia by around half a million years       >> ago: Neanderthals – Homo neanderthalensis – in the west, Denisovans in       >> the east, and the more widespread Homo sapiens occasionally breeding       >> with the others. Ancient DNA and proteins recently identified a Chinese       >> skull known as Dragon man as the first known Denisovan face, and       >> Denisovans have been described, somewhat controversially, as a species       >> known as Homo longi.       >>       >> The new study extends this picture with further complexities and a       >> longer history. The Yunxian skull, say the scientists, has a mix of       >> ancient and newly acquired features. Parts recall erectus fossils, while       >> its brain is larger, and the cranium’s face and lower back instead       >> compare favourably to Dragon man – or even, says Stringer, Homo sapiens.       >> The skull’s age, however, independently shown by geology and the       >> particular ecosystem of mammals in the site’s well-preserved remains,       >> suggests it comes from the erectus era.       >>       >> The team resolves these apparent contradictions by rethinking the       >> historic human landscape. In this new view, ancestral Neanderthals,       >> Denisovans and sapiens separated a little over a million years ago,       >> rather than around 500,000 years ago.The theory posits that       >> Neanderthals, Denisovans and sapiens were alive at the same time as Homo       >> heidelbergensis (traditionally thought of as the common ancestor of       >> Neanderthals and sapiens) and later Asian Homo erectus. In other words,       >> for hundreds of thousands of years our planet hosted five highly       >> intelligent, large-brained types of human. In the long run, only one       >> survived: us.       >>       >> What does this mean for other human fossils we have found? Homo       >> antecessor, for example, a species identified from remains in a Spanish       >> cave at Atapuerca, has been proposed as an ancestor to heidelbergensis;       >> this would put it at the root of the group that includes us and       >> Neanderthals. That has always been controversial (it’s the excavators’       >> idea), and in the new analysis, the antecessor species is said to belong       >> to the Denisovan group – and so, ultimately, doomed to extinction.       >> Genetic studies have suggested different relationships, separating       >> Dragon man from its African ancestors a relatively recent 700,000       >> years ago.       >>       >> And then there are the fossils we don’t have. If Neanderthals,       >> Denisovans and sapiens evolved away from each other a million years ago,       >> there must have been earlier human forms not yet seen. The placing of       >> their common ancestor among the intertwined branches of early human       >> trees is unknown. It all opens up a quest for previously unsuspected       >> types of fossils.       >>       >> It’s the bigger picture here which is particularly exciting. Only       >> archaeology can help us understand the nature of all these creatures:       >> how they behaved and thought. Thirty years ago, archaeologists talked of       >> a revolution marked by the sudden appearance of sophisticated art in       >> Europe – indication, it was said, of the arrival of the modern human       >> mind a mere 30 or 40,000 years ago. Evidence from the ground has since       >> shown such developments also occurred far beyond Europe, and over a       >> longer time span.       >>       >> If early Homo sapiens evolved a million years ago, as this study       >> suggets, when did individuals start to make art? At what point did they       >> become ‘modern’ – and why? Could this have happened first in Asia,       >> rather than Europe or Africa, and again, if so, why? Sooner or later       >> we’ll get to answer such questions. Doing so will take us into a new,       >> deeper understanding of who we really are.       >>       >> Mike Pitts       >>       > The very short answer is no, it doesn't "rewrite" human history, but it       > illuminates a critical period during which several genus homo people              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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