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   From: ralph@eddlewood.demon.co.uk   
      
   In message <1140390100.802773.53680@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Roger   
   Johansson  writes   
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   >ralph wrote:   
   >   
   >> >> You must understand that this ng has its share of persistant   
   >> >> cheerleader, ra ra skirted mandrivel lovers who will tolerate no   
   darkening   
   >> >> of the love fest.   
   >   
   I didn't write this, of course.   
      
   >> >the older couples and singles are supporting the system, because they   
   >> >are products of the system, their gender roles have formed their   
   >> >personality   
   >> >   
   >> >Young angry men are the storm troopers of this structure as well as   
   >> >most other structures they are involved in, or used by.   
   >   
   >> Why didn't you leave it there, Roger?   
   >   
   >Because our secret social structures, and the traditions which control   
   >them, are detrimental to us. That's why we have tried to abolish these   
   >old traditions and gender roles for thousands of years.   
   >   
   Whose this "we", Roger?   
      
   >> Doesn't seem to have much to do  with philosophy or humanism.   
   >   
   >It is humanism to struggle against detrimental old traditions, like   
   >religions, for example.   
      
   Yes, I'm with you there.   
   >   
   >In the field of philosophy we have seen a long debate between religious   
   >thinkers and scientific thinkers, humanism and science won that debate,   
      
   We may think that, Roger, but we should know that they disagree   
      
   >so we are now in the process of dismounting the old traditions,   
   >replacing them with a modern democratic society.   
   >   
   >   
   Mmm. Which side are the ra ra skirts on?   
      
   --   
   ralph   
      
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