XPost: alt.philosophy, alt.atheism, talk.atheism   
   From: mmcneill@fuzzysys.com   
      
   On 14 Mar 2006 17:00:01 -0800, "FreeThink"  wrote:   
      
   >   
   >Sir Frederick wrote:   
   >> On 14 Mar 2006 16:15:02 -0800, "FreeThink"  wrote:   
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   >> >   
   >> >Sir Frederick wrote:   
   >> >> On 14 Mar 2006 13:01:43 -0800, "Joseph H"    
   wrote:   
   >> >>   
   >> >> >So we arrive....   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> >Hey, we're as tough as anything else. But we want a little explanation;   
   >> >> >and we need a little meaning; and we'd like a little comfort; and we'd   
   >> >> >like to belong; and we'd like a little harmony....   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> >But we can do it. We got the means to provide all the above. So we   
   >> >> >concoct a little explanation and we spin a little yarn and we provide a   
   >> >> >little hope...   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> >Hey, man, it's all nonsense. It's fiction personified, the more   
   >> >> >fanciful the better. But we believe it at once. Hey, it's doing its   
   >> >> >job, who cares? We got business to attend to. We got to eat and hunt   
   >> >> >and screw and fight. So don't rock the boat, man. It's alright.   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> >Oh? Truth? You're kidding! Truth is for wimps. It's for losers who   
   >> >> >aren't tough enough to survve.   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> >But...maybe now we need truth? Oh, you poor fool! No, seriously, maybe   
   >> >> >now that have come together we really need to know the truth. Fool, no!   
   >> >> >But truth as a unifying agent, truth now that we are finally capable of   
   >> >> >knowing, truth now that those who still believe are more powerful than   
   >> >> >the liberated rest of us? No, no, when will you ever learn....?  i   
   >> >> >mean, there is a hope; there is a truth.  No, no, no!   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> >Joseph H   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> >www,humanisation.org   
   >> >>   
   >> >> In a meaningless situation, even deceit and deceitful   
   >> >> stories have their effects.   
   >> >> Consider the folk lore theory "personification".   
   >> >>   
   >> >> We can't be truthful because evolution found deceit   
   >> >> useful. Deceit is now firmly a common aspect of our structure,   
   >> >> and our medieval culture.   
   >> >>   
   >> >> Now that we need "truth", we are unable.   
   >> >> Next must be the "Singularity", and new structures.   
   >> >>   
   >> >> The sooner, the better   
   >> >> --   
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   >> >   
   >> >   
   >> >Even without settling for truisms in place of those elusive universal   
   >> >truths there are some really affirming, incredible applicable in scope,   
   >> >common standards that are very satisfying if you want to seek them out.   
   >> >   
   >> >I think that if we did find a universal truth it would make us very   
   >> >unhappy. We would probably spend the rest of our existence trying to   
   >> >discount it....   
   >> >   
   >> >Bring on special relativity, string theory and determinism!   
   >> >   
   >> >-E   
   >> Why is there something? (rather than nothing?)   
   >   
   >It is the more interesting premise to work with and seems to be more   
   >forgiving because it only takes a little bit of something to rule out   
   >absolute nothingness. Operating on the premise of nothing kind of stops   
   >us before we can even get started.   
   No premise, evidence. If only hallucination,   
   still evidence of something. Why is it?   
      
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