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James A. Temple wrote:
> "David V." wrote
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>> What beneficial aims or results?
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> "....many of their teachings have beneficial aims, if not
> results."
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> Not beneficial results, David; only beneficial aims.
World domination is a "beneficial" aim?
>> ....Not morals, they aren't very good at teaching, or
>> keeping, them.
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> You're paintin' with a mighty broad brush, my friend. Neither
> of us know how proficient theists are at teachin' morality.
> The best we can do is opine that, if they are, it ain't takin.
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I just look at the facts. Christians are over represented in the
prison population. All of the nationally known preachers have
lied. How can a liar be good at teaching morality? The results
show that they are not good at teaching morality.
> And, I can point to a number of my Christian friends that are
> very moral, indeed...in raising their children, helpin'
> friends, supportin' good causes.
All that can be learned from family and friends. Their religion
need not be given credit.
> Still, they support that monkey-faced moron that has been
> installed as our American President. It drives me nuts tryin'
> to figure how such good folks can ignore the rampant
> slaughter of innocents that this Administration has initiated
> ~ predicated upon lies, deceit, and a hidden agenda.
It shows they have no morals. Bush has no morals and they support
Bush. It also shows that they are blinded by their religion. They
have turned into sheep.
> Still, if you define morality as relative to only those
> without blemish, you and I had better get a lantern and help
> ol' Diogenes in his eternal search for an honest man.
Diogenes gave up looking in Europe so he went to New York. He got
mugged and they stole his lamp.
I'm not saying one has to be perfect, but one should at least
have a moral/ethical code based on 21st century ideas instead of
archaic ideas that have no relevance to today.
>> Not peace; ...
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> Yep, they teach peace: "...they shall beat their swords into
> plowshares."
That is only after they've taken over the world. And that one
line does not cancel out the mandate of genocide in the OT.
>> ...look at all the wars religions, especially the christian
>> one, have caused.
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> They've failed that beneficial aim, haven't they?
It benefited Bush...... hopefully it will also be his downfall.
>> Not human rights, ...
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> Yep, they teach human rights: "Do unto others as you would
> have them do unto you".
They don't preach that and it's not even original to the
christian mythology.
>> ...not if they want you to kill homosexuals and unruly
>> children.
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> Some of them have failed another worthy and beneficial aim,
> David. It's too bad that so many of them make up the majority
> of American leaders. No matter how kind and moral they speak
> and act on a one-to-one level, the accumlative effect of
> their theocratic orientation is leading to atrocious results.
That's what I've been saying.
> In the final analysis, it's not what folks preach or teach;
> it's how they act. I've stopped many proselytizing attempts
> with just the admonition, "Don't preach me a sermon, show me
> one".
The actions of many christians has brought us a dictator as
president. How can I have any respect for a group that supports Bush?
--
Dave
"Sacred cows make the best hamburger." Mark Twain.
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