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   From: brianf88@bigpond.net.au   
      
   "Joseph H"  wrote in message   
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   > Brian Fletcher wrote:   
   >> "Joseph H"  wrote in message   
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   >> > Brian Fletcher wrote:   
   >> >> >> Yet some individual "masters", well recorded, have been able to   
   >> >> >> illustrate   
   >> >> >> the meaningful journey of the individual, over eons demonstrating a   
   >> >> >> priori   
   >> >> >> knowledge.> >   
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   >> >> > Demonstating "a priori knowledge"? How can we have any such thing?   
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   >> >> Firstly you have to ask "do we" befor you can find out "how".   
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   >> > Do we? No.   
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   >> Then what is the question? Do we, or how do we ? If your pov is "we dont"   
   >> then asking "how do we" becomes irrelevant.   
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   > My "how do we" is more a "How can we?" I don't think we can - but maybe   
   > you can put me right.   
      
   Part of the actual process of discovering ones "priori" is to modify one's   
   questions.   
      
   Once again, intrinsic in your comments is the "group expectation"..ie "how   
   can we". Very different platform of how can I".....   
      
   This may sound trivial, but it is absolutely not. If you talk "we" you will   
   be limited by the lowest common denominator.   
      
   The more you "tune yourself in" , the easier the answers come....and they   
   do.   
      
   BOfL   
      
      
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   >> >> Those masters I mentioned, didnt learn their timeless wisdom from   
   >> >> others.   
   >> > They conceived, created, fabricated, fashioned...their "timeless   
   >> > wisdom". We have that capacity. You have it. I have it. What's the   
   >> > mystery? There is none. We make it up.   
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   >> >> >i think empathy plays a large   
   >> >> > part in my life. I also sense that I actually don't understand,   
   >> >> > don't   
   >> >> > fundamentally "grasp", a lot of what other people take for granted.   
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   >> >> Taking something for granted is not "to be grasped". Empathy means "I   
   >> >> undertstand why they would feel that way"...like the rich guy talking   
   >> >> to   
   >> >> the   
   >> >> poor guy trying to buy fulfillment.   
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   >> >> > This is, of course, a weakness.   
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   >> >> Not if you re look at the above definition.   
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   >> >> >But I also sense that it has forced me   
   >> >> > to see things in a manner others don't see them.   
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   >> >> The process of individualisation. "Seek ye first the kingdom of   
   >> >> heaven"   
   >> >> is a   
   >> >> good biblical analogy.   
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   >> >> > I think most of us   
   >> >> > inhabit a particular "wavelength" of understanding. We take on   
   >> >> > board   
   >> >> > belief and local and national loyalties, basic components of human   
   >> >> > existence, for thousands of years. I don't go down that road.   
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   >> >> More examples of "priori knowledge". You refer to "group think", where   
   >> >> there   
   >> >> is no priori kowledge. See why the confusion?   
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   >> > A priori BELIEF - not necessarily knowledge.   
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   >> A belief is made up of more than one person's pov, forming a mutual   
   >> support   
   >> for that limited commonality. Knowing/wisdom comes from within"one"where   
   >> beliefs are transended.   
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   > What's a "pov"?   
      
   Pardon my presumption. We live in a world slowly collapsing under the burder   
   of acronyms  iykwim :-).........point of view.   
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   >> BOfL   
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   >> >> > Lacking   
   >> >> > those loyalties - which are generally affirming and life-suporting -   
   >> >> > I   
   >> >> > have been forced to conceive of another stratum of support, one   
   >> >> > based   
   >> >> > not on creativity and tradition but on an assessment of what I feel   
   >> >> > to   
   >> >> > be true about our situation on the planet.   
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   >> >> Again, see what I mean when I say "external chaos stimulates the need   
   >> >> to   
   >> >> search for inner reality.   
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   >> >> At least you are , what I refer to as "zooming out" to have a look.   
   >> >> Ironically, that also means "zooming in" to the true nature of the   
   >> >> observer.   
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   >> >> You will be surprised at what you will see, which is why it is so   
   >> >> important   
   >> >> to keep in check the self dialouge "They" are always out to get "you"   
   >> >> hehehehe..   
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