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   Surfer to sdr   
   Re: What Ought to Happen/What IS Going T   
   19 Nov 06 11:06:35   
   
   XPost: talk.religion.pantheism, soc.culture.usa, alt.politics.usa.misc   
   XPost: talk.politics.misc   
   From: surfer@no.spam.net   
      
   On 14 Nov 2006 03:40:01 -0800, "sdr"  wrote:   
      
   >   
   >Because of the malevolent influence of Islam, Iran is   
   >a nation/a people that believes in terrorism (the   
   >Koran specifically demands that Muslims "terrorize"   
   >non-believers), therefore Iran is a nation that has a   
   >genuine faith in terrorism.   
   >   
      
   In an Islamic state, non-Muslims who are not actively fighting Muslims   
   are refered to as dhimmis "protected people".   
      
   Here is an extract from a post on the subject copied from   
   soc.religion.islam   
      
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   It is an unavoidable fact of history that in certain times and places,   
   dhimmis were indeed subjected to the kind of abuse and discrimination   
   mentioned by Bat Ye'or. However, those sad realities are examples of   
   evil actions by sinful men. They are not examples of the manner in   
   which Allah has ordered us to treat the non-Muslims who live in Muslim   
   lands.   
      
   Muslims, like all other human beings, do not always conform themselves   
   to the ideals that are set out in their religion. The Qur'an, the   
   Traditions of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him) and the Shari'ah   
   require us to treat Ahl al-Dhimmah (covenanted people) in ways very   
   different from the picture given by Bat Ye'or.   
      
   In "Shari'ah: The Islamic Law", a highly esteemed professor of Islamic   
   law, Abdur Rahman I. Doi, puts it simply and directly:   
      
   "The non-Muslims who live in an Islamic state and enjoy all their   
   human  rights, which are enshrined in the Shari'ah, are called Ahl   
   al-Dhimmah.... [They] are guaranteed the protection of their life,   
   property and honour exactly like that of a Muslim. ...It becomes every   
   Muslim's religious duty to protect the life, property and honour of a   
   non-Muslim since it forms a part and parcel of faith (iman).   
      
   Since Dhimmis are protected people, under the pledge of Allah and his   
   messenger, they are, says Doi, "people of the abode of Islam (dar   
   al-islam) and hence possessors of Islamic Nationality (al-jinsiyyah   
   al-islamiyyah)."   
      
   Since Dhimmis are under the pledge of Allah (dhimmat Allah), they must   
   enjoy complete religious, administrative and political freedom.   
      
   Dhimmis must be protected from discrimination, persecution, tyranny   
   and  injustice. Muslims are duty bound to hold back their hands and   
   tongues to avoid injuring Dhimmis.   
      
   The Traditions of the Prophet, which inform us of his Sunnah (way)   
   that we are to follow are unequivocal:   
      
   "Whosoever persecutes a dhimmi ...or takes anything from him with evil   
   intentions, I shall be a complainant against him on the Day of   
   Resurrection."   
      
   "Whosoever hurts a dhimmi, hurts me; and one who hurts me, hurts   
   Allah."   
      
   The enormity of the obligation that Muslims have toward dhimmis is   
   well illustrated by the  opinion of the Muslim jurist Ibn Abdin, who   
   argued that since Muslims are given a responsibility to protect the   
   blood and property of non-Muslims and since the persecution of weak   
   persons at the hands of the strong is considered as one of the   
   greatest of crimes, the persecution of non-Muslims in an Islamic state   
   will be considered to be a greater crime than the persecution of   
   Muslims by non-Muslims.   
      
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