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From: ralph@eddlewood.demon.co.uk
In message , Surfer
writes
>On 14 Nov 2006 03:40:01 -0800, "sdr" wrote:
>
>>
>>Because of the malevolent influence of Islam, Iran is
>>a nation/a people that believes in terrorism (the
>>Koran specifically demands that Muslims "terrorize"
>>non-believers), therefore Iran is a nation that has a
>>genuine faith in terrorism.
>>
>
>In an Islamic state, non-Muslims who are not actively fighting Muslims
>are refered to as dhimmis "protected people".
>
>Here is an extract from a post on the subject copied from
>soc.religion.islam
>
>=====================================
>It is an unavoidable fact of history that in certain times and places,
>dhimmis were indeed subjected to the kind of abuse and discrimination
>mentioned by Bat Ye'or. However, those sad realities are examples of
>evil actions by sinful men. They are not examples of the manner in
>which Allah has ordered us to treat the non-Muslims who live in Muslim
>lands.
>
>Muslims, like all other human beings, do not always conform themselves
>to the ideals that are set out in their religion. The Qur'an, the
>Traditions of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him) and the Shari'ah
>require us to treat Ahl al-Dhimmah (covenanted people) in ways very
>different from the picture given by Bat Ye'or.
>
>In "Shari'ah: The Islamic Law", a highly esteemed professor of Islamic
>law, Abdur Rahman I. Doi, puts it simply and directly:
>
>"The non-Muslims who live in an Islamic state and enjoy all their
>human rights, which are enshrined in the Shari'ah, are called Ahl
>al-Dhimmah.... [They] are guaranteed the protection of their life,
>property and honour exactly like that of a Muslim. ...It becomes every
>Muslim's religious duty to protect the life, property and honour of a
>non-Muslim since it forms a part and parcel of faith (iman).
>
>Since Dhimmis are protected people, under the pledge of Allah and his
>messenger, they are, says Doi, "people of the abode of Islam (dar
>al-islam) and hence possessors of Islamic Nationality (al-jinsiyyah
>al-islamiyyah)."
>
>Since Dhimmis are under the pledge of Allah (dhimmat Allah), they must
>enjoy complete religious, administrative and political freedom.
>
>Dhimmis must be protected from discrimination, persecution, tyranny
>and injustice. Muslims are duty bound to hold back their hands and
>tongues to avoid injuring Dhimmis.
>
>The Traditions of the Prophet, which inform us of his Sunnah (way)
>that we are to follow are unequivocal:
>
>"Whosoever persecutes a dhimmi ...or takes anything from him with evil
>intentions, I shall be a complainant against him on the Day of
>Resurrection."
>
>"Whosoever hurts a dhimmi, hurts me; and one who hurts me, hurts
>Allah."
>
>The enormity of the obligation that Muslims have toward dhimmis is
>well illustrated by the opinion of the Muslim jurist Ibn Abdin, who
>argued that since Muslims are given a responsibility to protect the
>blood and property of non-Muslims and since the persecution of weak
>persons at the hands of the strong is considered as one of the
>greatest of crimes, the persecution of non-Muslims in an Islamic state
>will be considered to be a greater crime than the persecution of
>Muslims by non-Muslims.
>
>=======================================
What most non-Muslims fear about living under Shariah law is not that
they will be treated differently from their Muslim hosts, but that they
will be treated the same.
That is, subject to having limbs removed, public floggings and
executions etc. With normality like that, who cares about exceptions?
--
ralph
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