From: wagley@screaming.net   
      
   "i"  wrote in message   
   news:C16qYZCcv0YFFwMF@eddlewood.demon.co.uk...   
   > Today we (humanists) are in the strongest position I can ever remember. In   
   > the UK we have a stream of archbishops, mullahs and rabbis queuing up to   
   > deplore the secularization of society, and the need for organised religion   
   > to fight back. In the US churches are beset by scandals and clashes of   
   > dogma, with the religious right reeling after the mid-term elections.   
   >   
   > And what happens on this buzzy discussion forum? Pretty well nothing.   
   >   
   > Do we think that we have won, and can now sleep forever?   
   >   
   > Do we think we have no more to say about global warming, terrorism,   
   > Darfur, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, North Korea, globalisation, charitable   
   > giving, education, same sex marriages, abortion, the basis of humanist   
   > morals, or anything else?   
   >   
   > May I suggest a discussion on how far we should take tolerance? Our   
   > general stance is that people should do what they wish as long as it does   
   > not harm others. I feel that children are particularly vulnerable to harm,   
   > and will suffer it if we allow same-sex couples to bring up children,   
   > however they may be obtained.   
   >   
   > There is overwhelming evidence that children growing up in stable bisexual   
   > relationships are healthier, happier, educationally and economically more   
   > successful than those who do not. Although same-sex "parents" may do no   
   > harm to "their" children, harm will nevertheless result simply from the   
   > domestic background in which they grow up.   
   >   
   > There are doubrless examples of same-sex couples doing a magnificent job   
   > of rearing children, but they will only illustrate the richness of human   
   > kind: they will not change the odds materially.   
   >   
   > Anyone out there agree, or even disagree?   
   >   
   > --   
   > ralph   
      
   Virtually every person brought up in a 'care home' will spend time in   
   prison.  Well over half of the people currently in prison were brought up   
   'in care'.  If a same sex couple, either men or women, adopted a child   
   tomorrow so that he or she did not have to go to one of those hell holes we   
   call 'care homes' it would be a damn good thing.   
      
   In the UK it is perfectly legal for a single person to adopt a child, and   
   quite few do so, saving a person from a low quality life.  It is illogical   
   to refuse a couple to do the same.   
      
   It is a great pity that children exist who for various reasons can not be   
   brought up by one or both of their own two loving parents.  If I were being   
   crude, I would point out that you were trying to entrap them into hell holes   
   instead of allowing them a decent life.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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